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What meds do you keep on hand?
Old 01-23-2011, 10:16 AM   #11
 
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Good to know!
This is true! My community tank won't need it? Kym, I have learned so much from you in the short time I have been here and I wanted to say I so appreciate it more than you know, woman.

This forum is very lucky to have you!
Naw, I'm lucky to have this forum. If not, I'd be looking at a tank full of algae covered skeletons and dead plants right now, lol.
(Thanks for the compliment, though)

Because on where you are located I know you have plenty of access to any meds you will need, and quickly. If it were me (and it's not!) I would only buy the med as I needed it.
The one med that I think you should have on hand always is one for Ich. I've had to treat for Ich four times in two years, twice without having added any additional newcomers or plants. My belief is that Ich is ever present in the aquaria and certain fish stress easily and when they do Ich will appear. My clowns are very susceptible. I see that clowns are on your "potential" fish list.
Also, not sure how great your LFS is but Ich on newcomers happens quite often. Do you have a QT/Hospital tank? As a former discus keeper I assume so??
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:19 AM   #12
 
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I see that clowns are on your "potential" fish list.
Also, not sure how great your LFS is but Ich on newcomers happens quite often. Do you have a QT/Hospital tank? As a former discus keeper I assume so??

I do have a 20 gal that I can set up on a dime and plenty of filters I can pull from the 125. Kym, can I ask some questions of you on this thread? Or do they frown on hijacking?

What do you use for Ich? I have to toss all my meds ~ they are years old. Ouch.
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:23 AM   #13
 
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Oh, Crap. This is MY thread. oops.

Okay Kym ~

I have NO clue how often to feed these little wet pets I am bringing home today. Not a clue. What else...Oh, I think I am only going to get either 12 Tetras or 12 Danos for now and ~ Darn. I forgot what I was leading into.

Let me find my notes!
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:23 AM   #14
 
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I do have a 20 gal that I can set up on a dime and plenty of filters I can pull from the 125. Kym, can I ask some questions of you on this thread? Or do they frown on hijacking?

What do you use for Ich? I have to toss all my meds ~ they are years old. Ouch.
It's not hijacking, it's your thread!! I use Kordan's Rid Ich +. Byron uses Aquarisol. I can't find Aquarisol locally or I think I would use it. Much more gentle on the fish. I only use Ich meds at half strength because I kept sensitive and also scaleless fish (catfish and loaches).
Bummer on having to toss all your meds. Meds aren't cheap!
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:39 AM   #15
 
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Kym ~

OKay ~ great PM, btw:)

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I have Epsom Salts, Salt, Metro, Prazi, Quick Cure. All of these are NOT even open, woman. But I have not used meds for over three years, as my Fronts never needed them.

Should I just toss all of this? Would you? There are no expiration dates on anything I can see.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:04 AM   #16
 
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Kym ~

OKay ~ great PM, btw:)

Check it out:

I have Epsom Salts, Salt, Metro, Prazi, Quick Cure. All of these are NOT even open, woman. But I have not used meds for over three years, as my Fronts never needed them.

Should I just toss all of this? Would you? There are no expiration dates on anything I can see.
If it was me I'd try to return the unopened meds for store credit. My LFS would let me, not sure about yours. Salt doesn't expire but you're not going to be using it in a tropical tank. I would never put salt in my community tank (I have use Epsom to treat constipated discus, but that's different) and Byron has a great write up why salt is a no-no for nearly all tropical fish. I need to look for that post by him.

If the meds are three years old plus, I would assume most to be expired anyway. Try returning them, all they can do is say no.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:10 AM   #17
 
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Okay. Got it. So ~no salt? Seriously? I thought that was just for planted folks? Interesting.
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:15 AM   #18
 
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Okay. Got it. So ~no salt? Seriously? I thought that was just for planted folks? Interesting.
Nope, no salt. Both Lupin and Byron can easily type up as to why (much faster than I can) so, oh yoo hoo, can one of you chime in??
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Old 01-23-2011, 11:17 AM   #19
 
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I found Byron's post in regards to salt:

"Salt is detrimental to freshwater fish and plants in varying degrees. To understand why, we must understand what salt does in water.

Salt makes the water more dense than the same water without salt. The aquarium contains water. The bodies of fish and plant leaves also contain water [just as we do--we are, what is it, 70-some percent water?]. The water in the aquarium and the water in the fish/plant are separated by a semi-permeable layer which is the cell. Water can pass through this cell. When either body of water is more dense, the other less-dense body of water will pass through the membrane to equalize the water on both sides.

Water is constantly passing through the cells of fish by osmosis in an attempt to equate the water inside the fish (which is more dense) with the water in the aquarium. Put another way, the aquarium water is diluting the fish's body water until they are equal. Freshwater fish regularly excrete this water through respiration and urination. This is the issue behind pH differences as well as salt and other substances. It increases the fish's work--the kidney is used in the case of salt--which also increases the fish's stress in order to maintain their internal stability. Also, the fish tends to produce more mucus especially in the gills; the reason now seems to be due to the irritant property of salt--the fish is trying to get away from it.

I have an interesting measurement for fish. Dr. Stanley Weitzman, who is Emeritus Research Scientist at the Department of Ichthyology of the Smithsonian Institute in Washington and an acknowledged authority on characoid fishes, writes that 100 ppm of salt is the maximum for characins, and there are several species that show considerable stress leading to death at 60 ppm. 100 ppm is equal to .38 of one gram of salt per gallon of water. One level teaspoon holds six grams of salt, so 1 tsp of salt per gallon equates to more than 15 times the tolerable amount. Livebearers have a higher tolerance (mollies sometimes exist in brackish water) so the salt may be safe for them. Use of salt for treatment purposes should first consider the level of tolerance of the respective fish in the aquarium; any medication is likely to cause some stress to fish, but those species that are particularly adverse will be significantly weakened further by salt.

Plants: when salt is added to the aquarium water, the water inside the plant cells is less dense so it escapes through the cells. The result is that the plant literally dries out, and will wilt. I've so far been unable to find a measurement of how much salt will be detrimental to plants; all authorities I have found do note that some species are more sensitive than others, and all recommend no salt in planted aquaria.

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Old 01-23-2011, 11:20 AM   #20
 
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Very interesting! Thanks for sharing. Pop that article over at SD. I dare you.
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