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post #11 of 19 Old 05-08-2012, 08:09 PM
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I'm terribly sorry to hear that. You could try making this homemade gel food recipe from the GAB: Medicated Gel Food It includes dosing for metro, but you need a gram scale. That should be able to get enough metro into them. Wishing you the best.

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post #12 of 19 Old 05-08-2012, 08:10 PM
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The problem is getting the metro into the food. I'm using two methods, mixing flake and metro dry in a ziplock and letting it set for several hours so the oils in the flakes will hopefully absorb the metro. And for sinking pellets I mix the tabs and metro and very lightly moisten and wait before adding to the tank.

At the rate the fish are demising, there won't be many left when they are cured.
Does the metro have to be ingested? You can't put it directly into the water?

If not then I would suggested getting freeze dried food to soak in the water because it will soak more contents in. This would facilitate the delivery of the medicine.

Maybe try injecting a Zuchini with it and then putting the Zuchini in the tank?
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Does the metro have to be ingested? You can't put it directly into the water?

If not then I would suggested getting freeze dried food to soak in the water because it will soak more contents in. This would facilitate the delivery of the medicine.

Maybe try injecting a Zuchini with it and then putting the Zuchini in the tank?
That's a good idea about the freeze-dried, the hatchets are proving very difficult to feed with this, but they love FD bloodworms. Thanks.

Veggies won't do much for me, the few times I've tried them nothing will even look at them, much less eat them.

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I'm terribly sorry to hear that. You could try making this homemade gel food recipe from the GAB: Medicated Gel Food It includes dosing for metro, but you need a gram scale. That should be able to get enough metro into them. Wishing you the best.
That's even more complicated than my gourmet menus. Thanks Izzy.

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I am sorry to hear Byron, just a thought, as your tanks are planted are using dosing co2 at all?
Reason I ask is it may be possible the tank is experiencing a c02 overdose and it could be c02 poisoning which can lead to swollen red anal areas.

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I am sorry to hear Byron, just a thought, as your tanks are planted are using dosing co2 at all?
Reason I ask is it may be possible the tank is experiencing a c02 overdose and it could be c02 poisoning which can lead to swollen red anal areas.
Thanks for the idea, but no, I do not add CO2. All natural.

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Keep us updated.

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post #18 of 19 Old 05-17-2012, 08:24 AM
Byron,

I just stumbled across this thread and wanted to tell you I'm sorry for your fish losses and hope you can save the rest. I fear that in the end a total tear down may be required. I wonder how a protozoa got introduced - were there fairly new additions to the tank?

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post #19 of 19 Old 05-17-2012, 09:22 AM Thread Starter
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Yes, it was my own fault. In 20 years I have basically never quarantined new fish, and this is only the second time in 20 years that I have introduced a real problem. I would see ich now and then, but that is easy to deal with. But this protozoan arrived in some new Hemigrammus pulcher. They looked fine, active, nice colour. But within a week five of them disappeared literally overnight, I never did find them but they were small and in the 115g tank, and at the same time the other fish began dying.

The metronidazole added to the food appears to have worked. Fish deaths that had been 2, 3, even 5 a day ended last Thursday. The fish that are left are bright and active again, a few are even spawning, so I think this worked. Treatment will continue for a full 2 weeks. There is another stage of treatment that can be used if this were to be stubborn and resurface, namely adding Quinine to the tank water. But that has some risks for certain fish and plants, and hopefully won't be necessary.

One thing I have finally learned is to QT new fish. On and off for 20 years I have done this, but nothing ever occurred, and I thought that stressing the fish out twice instead of just once for no reason didn't make much sense. The first time I had a major problem was almost 3 years ago, when another protozoan came in. I only lost a couple fish that time, so it wasn't enough of a wake-up call for me. This time was different. The 20g is now the QT, period.

One used to be able to reply on certain stores a bit, though that was still risky. But from my own experiences, and what I have read elsewhere, there seem to be more and more diseases getting into our fish these days. And at the same time, medications that used to work for this or that no longer do; bacteria as we all know can build up a resistance to antibiotics for example. Diagnosing a health issue is extremely difficult, and I rarely attempt it, which is why I so seldom enter such discussions; building up the knowledge base to be able to ascertain the issue and then know the best and safest treatment is a very scientific and long process. One of our forum members, Dawn, has spent more than 20 years closely studying this aspect of the hobby, and it was she who led me through this problem. She has not been as active on the general forum lately so I contacted her directly. She is an incredible wealth of knowledge in the area of fish nutrition and disease, and we are fortunate to have her with us.

Byron.

Byron Hosking, BMus, MA
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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]

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