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post #1 of 16 Old 02-07-2014, 09:43 AM Thread Starter
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Ugh, Ich?

Soo last time I buy fish from petsmart lol... Anyways, my 44g tank is a semi-quarantine. It's not my main tank but it has a couple angels, and I tend to use it as a semi-quarantine tank since my parents won't really go for allowing me to have another tank (after this though I may convince them for a 10g quarantine :/). I got some german blue rams, some neon tetras (to add to my school), and a 2 female guppies. 8 of the 10 neon tetras died in 24 hours.... Some of them, a whole section of one side of their body turned white and some had cloudy looking frayed fina and they died quickly... I didn't see this at the store, they seemed healthy :/! The german blue rams became covered in ich very quickly. I got all of these fish Saturday, and around Sunday I began raising the temperature for an ich treatment. Got it to 86. They both survived so far and have much less spots now. Anyways it's been 86 degrees for maybe 4 days, and I just today I noticed my angels have caught whatever it is! They have frayed pectoral fins... which seems like something else than ich. Because their pectoral fins are irritated they are, part of the time, keeping them clamped against their sides. It also seems like most of the ich spots are on their pectoral fins. The angels are eating well still and don't necessarily act sick yet. I just noticed that the ram's fins seem frayed that weren't frayed yesterday. Could it be something worse?? I didn't think the ich would continue spreading once I had the heat up! Could it be spores that already had gotten ito the water (since temp apparently stops reproduction) or could I have a heat resistant strategy, or could it be something worse than ich? I did a 50% water change last night and gravel vacuumed and I may just do 50% water changes 2x daily from now on... I also changed the temperature up to 87.... I think the angels and rams can handle it. And will start feeding them new life spectrum Thera+A. Can anyone recommend a medicine, if it is ich, or what medicine to get if it is not ich?

I guess I learned my lesson! Need a separate quarantine because I love my other angelfish... Don't wanna risk them! And never buy from petsmart. Their fish always have diseases! Honestly, I don't know how anyone buys new fish. Almost every pet or fish store around her has sick fish. I don't even like buying new fish anymore, really, for risk of disease.

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post #2 of 16 Old 02-07-2014, 12:04 PM
Man that sucks. I have had lots of success with fish penicillin treatments when I didn't know exactly what the fish had. The problem was that I never had a small quarantine tank so the treatments would get pricey... 10 gallon tanks I think are ideal for a fish hospital and I really need to make room for one.
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post #3 of 16 Old 02-07-2014, 12:32 PM
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Ugh, Ich?

Turning the temp up was a good idea - there are some strains that are more resistant to the heat. They are rare but it happens. I'd even take it a couple degrees higher. As far as meds are concerned, quick cure always worked well for me. Back when I used it.

Neons can die off like that - I've heard of it happening many times. Obviously there's something wrong beyond the ich but I don't have the experience with stuff like that to know what to suggest, other than water changes.
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post #4 of 16 Old 02-07-2014, 06:28 PM Thread Starter
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Hmmm yes I can't go for something that expensive as I have to treat my entire 44g. I will see how the fish have responded to the temperature increase and maybe go further. I just am afraid of speeding up any bacteria/fungus if it is not ich. I hope it is not a heat-resisted strain. I am surprised how quickly and severely the angelfish came down with it. How long should I start noticing improvement to tell if it is working? Also, are the frayed pectoral fins consisten with ich or is it a sign of something else? I think I will buy some quickcure and maybe some other treatments just to have on hand, and return them if I don't use them.

I'm so upset because I nearly temporarily moved some of my angels into my 75g (before introducing those fish) that I just set up while quarantining those, just in case they had issues.

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One of my angels now has a white spot about 1 mm thick on his pectoral fin. Much larger than a typical ich cyst. And the temperature is now 88.1F... Hope it starts getting better... Maybe I need an anti fungal med.
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When turning the heat up, it's also a good idea to increase the aeration. They're breathing faster in warmer temps.

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post #7 of 16 Old 02-08-2014, 09:23 AM
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I treat every new fish (50+ species) at 88-89 degrees while in quarantine and do not add aeration. Yes warmer water holds less oxygen than cooler water - that fact gets thrown around a lot. However, that doesn't mean that there's not enough oxygen for the fish in the warmer water. IME there is plenty.

You can add aeration if you want, but I wouldn't go out and buy one if you don't already have an air pump.

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post #8 of 16 Old 02-08-2014, 06:54 PM Thread Starter
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I don't have an air pump, so I lowered the water 2-3 inches and just let the HOB crash like a waterfall. I think the oxygen level is good like that

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It will be more than sufficient.

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post #10 of 16 Old 02-09-2014, 09:20 AM Thread Starter
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So, I'm seeing a lot of improvement today. :) Only a few white ich spots are left on some of the fish. The rot on the angelfish's pectoral fin is starting to improve I believe -- he is no longer clamping it to his side and is using it normally. Hopefully things continue to improve. We will see if the ich comes back... I know the lifecycle involves the stage where you cannot see it.

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