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post #11 of 20 Old 01-12-2007, 08:00 AM Thread Starter
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Update

I lost a Black Neon during the night :( and Cherry Barbs are now showing outward signs of ich. I guess it's true, that it gets worse before it gets better.......

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post #12 of 20 Old 01-12-2007, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
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I just returned home from work, I've lost 1 Cherry barb and 2 Black Neons - 4 for the day

The remaining Cherry are not very active, still hanging out at the top of the tank. Some are even sort of suspended head-down in the tank. Rainbow fish are still pretty active. It's difficult to tell their infection level given their coloring.

Water temp is between 81-82. I performed a sm water change, primarily cleaning the gravel and re-salted the water that I added back.

Is it fairly normal to lose fish during the treatment period? I get the feeling that I may have heavy losses while treating the tank. :(

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post #13 of 20 Old 01-12-2007, 04:49 PM
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Have you increased the oxygen supply in the tank with an air stone or some other means?

Warmer water has less oxygen content, and on top of already being sick, that could be lethal. When you find the dead fish, are their mouths open or closed?

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I lowered the water level roughtly an inch below the black top line, thinking that water agitation will increase O2 levels. I already had air bubbles from a stone attached to the back of tank. When I increased the temp, I added a air stone on the bottom of the tank as well.

Not sure about all - but I one Neon was already a "runt" and had lost an eye about 4 months ago - I suspect his health was probably compromised. The Cherry and other Neon - I don't believe they had open mouths. The Tetra- not sure.

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I lowered the water level roughtly an inch below the black top line, thinking that water agitation will increase O2 levels. I already had air bubbles from a stone attached to the back of tank. When I increased the temp, I added a air stone on the bottom of the tank as well.
Air bubbles do not produce oxygen. It is how they agitate the surface that allows oxygen increase.

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yes blue is right it will help the o2 and the co2 to diffuse and exchange each other.

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post #17 of 20 Old 01-12-2007, 11:23 PM
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Ok, where to begin...
I would suggest using the Formalin medication alongside of the salt for treatment, but please be informed... 2 tsp of salt in 45 gallons of water isn't going to have any effect on the ick.
Proper salt dosing for ick treatment is 1 tbsp per every 5 gallons... and the low concentration of salt at present may be the very reason you are not seeing any improvements so far.

Are there live plants in the tank?

Please be forewarned that Formalin will further deplete oxygen levels, so depending on what filter you are running, and how many of them... you may find the need to increase circulation further during treatment... just be sure the fish are not struggling against water current, as this will simply stress them further.
Let us know if you need more help.

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post #18 of 20 Old 01-13-2007, 07:20 AM Thread Starter
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Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I added 2tsp per gal. From what I read and it seem to be consistent, 1 to 3 tsp / gal. My tank is 55 g but I assuemed actual water volume was less (45g) due to decorations and gravel, so my salt treatment may actually be a liitle less than 2 tsp / gal

Then increased temp seem to be cause for stress, so I have decreased it to 80. I know that higher temps speeds the process hopefully 80 will be high enough.

I took the carbon filter out when I started the salt treatment - does anyone know if it's ok to put it back?

Another note: I loss another Cherry barb during the envening.

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post #19 of 20 Old 01-13-2007, 05:08 PM
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80 degrees for temp probably won't have much effect on the ick, but if the higher temp is more than your fish can handle, you were right to bring the temp back down. With having to reduce the temp, I would highly suggest you use the Formalin medication to help combat the problem.

Removing the carbon during medicating is important, because carbon pulls the medication out of the water... not true with the salt. Carbon will NOT pull the salt, so it is safe to put it back in unless you decide to use a medication.

The 2 tsp/gal of salt is ok, you could even go up to 2 1/2 tsp/gal without causing harm.

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post #20 of 20 Old 01-14-2007, 09:08 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks Dawn for your comments and help.

I'm seeing some improvement on the Black Neons (they were the 1st fish I noticed the parasite on) so I believe I'm entering the 2nd stage. O2 levels are improved, as the fish are not hanging out at the top of the tank. Cherry Barbs have taken the greatest toll in the outbreak. :(
The remaing fish are out of hiding so I'm hopeful.

I've bought a 6g tank yesterday to set up as a quarantine tank (better late than never). I have some Fluval BioMax media from my 55g, I'd like to add it to the QT for its good bacteria but am uncertain if the parasites can attach itself to it and infect the new setup.

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