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post #11 of 55 Old 02-04-2008, 02:24 PM Thread Starter
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I was watching him swim around and tried to watch the didn't look like they were moving at all, but he swims around so erratically its difficult to tell....

alright, so I'm going to look at larger tanks today.

So I don't make a stupid mistake too soon:

How do I go about setting this thing up correctly? Should I set it up and let water run for a bit? How about the plants and gravel that I have in my tank currently, do I need to get new stuff? Can I jsut wash it off and put it in the new tank?
(Will Walmart take back a used fishtank if I've taken super care of it??)
Spell it out for me even if it seems obvious (please) because I dont' want to do anything wrong.
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post #12 of 55 Old 02-04-2008, 05:12 PM
Keep the gravel and ornaments from your previous tank and definitely add them to your new tank. Siphon the gunk from the gravel with a gravel vac- some tubing with a plastic cylinder at the end, first. Then add the stuff to your new tank with out washing them. This will bring good bacteria. Let the tank run for at least 24 hours and add the media from your previous running filter to your new filter when you switch, and also do not wash. Wallmart sells 10 gallon tanks for 7 dollars. Having a florescent light increases your enjoyment very much. Keeping fish is simple and very easy, it just requires an upfront investment and a small routine when done right. Bud you sound like a budding enthusiast like us all we discover the pitfalls as we progress. That's how you learn.
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post #13 of 55 Old 02-04-2008, 06:33 PM
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i know just how you feel Rae- you want to do right by your fish but it can become a real investment of time, effort, and $.

in the last few weeks i've been going thru almost the exact same thing as you- here's a link to the thread where i was "converted" (i.e. started feeling really guilty and wised up).

recently i have set up a 55 gallon tank for my two goldfish. it looks a little ridiculous right now as the tank is ginormous and the fish are still teensy weensy- but they won't be that way for long.

i am cycling my tank with the fish in there- it's not the best, but when i tested the ammonia levels in the 10gallon, they were very unhealthy, so i chose the lesser of two evils. for about 4 days i went thru a "bacterial bloom" that required many small water changes, but now things are crystal clear.

here's the link describing the new setup=

also if you check out my thread in the freshwater pics section there's more info there.

just do the best you can- and check craigslist for some really great deals on used tanks and supplies.
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post #14 of 55 Old 02-04-2008, 08:16 PM Thread Starter
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Got the new tank and followed what you guys have said--10 gallons, currently all set up just missing the fish.

Should I wait overnight or 24 hours? Also, I was told to put new tank water into the old tank (a few cups) to help him adjust-is there anyhting else I should do or be aware of before I place him inthe new tank? Do I just put him in there? Or plastic bag for 15 minutes? Or....
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post #15 of 55 Old 02-04-2008, 08:48 PM
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i'd fill the new tank 3/4s of the way, start the filter, and let it sit overnight.

tomorrow, empty the 2.5 by about a quarter- and then add a cup of the new tank's water every 15 minutes or so, until it's all full up. that should help him adjust to the new temperature and chemical balance a little-

to move him i'd try and gently scoop him into some sort of big container, along with a good amount of the old water. then sort of let that container float on its side in the new tank. hold it up so it doesn't sink to the bottom, but submerge it enough so that he can choose to swim into the new environment at his own leisure. when he's in, you can empty the rest of the old water into the 10 gallon. put fresh tap in if there's any room left.

if you've got any ornaments from the old tank stick those in there too- and if you've got an old nylon stocking, rinse it off and put the old gravel in it, and plop that in the new tank. the old bacteria should speed things up

go easy on the feeding for a little while and don't mess with the gravel or filter. oh and make sure there's an air stone in there- goldfish really need that.

your new tank will probably become very cloudy within few days. this is the tank not being able to handle the waste being produced- try and change one gallon of water two times per day.

and come back to ask more questions if you need help
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post #16 of 55 Old 02-04-2008, 11:52 PM
No when the tank becomes cloudy leave it, it will subside, the white cloud is the bacteria bloom. If you change the water the tank will not get to cycle fully. The bacteria bloom is normal and should not last longer than a week. If you add old water from the previous tank this could increase the time because you are bringing excess nutrients to the new tank for the bacteria to feed on. He will be fine in the the new tank water. How I acclimate fish that I'm moving from one tank to another is to get a bucket and add water from the first tank then place the fish, over a period of 20-30 min I add a cup of the new tank water here and there at equal intervals, then just net the fish and place him in his new home. An air stone and pump is necessary for goldfish they need lots of O2. Speaking of which is why you need to let the water sit for 24 hours. When water is in pipes or bottled it is extremely depleted of oxygen, leaving the filter run for 24 hours will cause the oxygen exchange enough to alow the fish to be healthy. After the first month change 25-50% of the water. Make sure the new tank water is the same temp as the old water before transfer.
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post #17 of 55 Old 02-05-2008, 01:08 AM
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crystalclear- i was under the impression that small water changes during the bloom will give the fish some relief from the high levels of ammonia- . anyway that's how i went about tending to my tank and it's worked fine. anyway, you certainly seem to know what you're talking about so i might go by your instructions.
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post #18 of 55 Old 02-05-2008, 06:45 AM Thread Starter
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he was acting pretty listless when I got up this morning, I've put him in the new tank now. Still pretty listless, not swimming around so much at all (in either tank-beforeI moved him or after). Hoping that when I get back from class he's still okay :(
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post #19 of 55 Old 02-05-2008, 08:30 AM
Your fish is going under a lot of stress, his better days will be in a few weeks. Just feed him sparingly and give him an air stone during the cycle. Sorry eelz I just disagreed, thats how I know the cycle to work. Changing the water will only keep the bacteria from forming the correct size colony, which will cause subsequent mini cycles until it catches up which will keep ammonia in the water. You may want to add a small amount of stress coat or some product that will neutralize ammonia, it will make ammonia harmless to fish, but will not affect the cycle because it will still be broken down by the bacteria, it will also read on the test kits. (amino-lock) Or as I prefer if you really want to help your fish you can add an bacteria additive to speed up the cycle to about 1 week. Don't worry your fish isn't the first fish to go under the cycle and goldfish of all fish can handle it fine. Yours may be a little extra stressed from the previous tank etc. But I know he will be okay. Feed very little (once a day) make sure no excess is in the tank. Get an air stone and pump. Cost of pump and air stone less than 10 bucks. Last a long time I still have my first pump, and 10 more! Air stones on the other hand don't last very long, but they're 2 for 99 cents.
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post #20 of 55 Old 02-05-2008, 10:32 AM Thread Starter
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Things are much better now, he's swimming around much more actively. I think I've been converted to the joys of a bigger tank:)
I'll keep watching him and reading this thread to make sure I'm doing everything to the best of my ability.
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