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Old 12-14-2007, 03:44 PM   #1
Sick CAE update

I know I shouldn't have bought him but I was young and stupid. now I am much older and wiser, but I have this CAE and I cant give him away. I posted a while ago saying he is looking ill he doesn't move much, his fins are gone, and his color is off.

he is about 3" he was in a 10 gallon tank that was densely stocked with 4 black tetras and 5 white cloud minnows, but received good maintenance and levels were stable.

about a month ago I moved him into a recently cycled 36 gallon tank to hopefully make him more comfortable, he is the only fish in the tank. however I haven't seen much improvement. top fin hasn't grown back at all but 2 of the 3 sets of bottom fins appear to have grown back and his tail fin looks better. I check levels regularly and they are normal (for me)

Ammonia = 0
nitrite = 0
pH = 7.8
GH = range of 12 - 18 ppm depending on how long since last water change and how much water was changed. (my tap water is rather hard with pH of 7.8)

I am going to attempt to attach a picture to help with the description of his condition.

looks like picture is a no go. i just keep getting the little red X. I dont know why, I tried both firefox and explorer i turned firewall and internet security off , image is a .JPG and is 355kb 800X532 i tried sizing down to 49kb. with all efforts it still doesnt work.
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:51 PM   #2
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I see your picture just fine.

I don't know how accurate this is but it actually looks like an old fish losing it's ability to cope. Do you have any idea how old the CAE is?

Is your GH in ppm or in degrees? If that is the number of drops then it is degrees and you would multiply by 19.6, I think, to get ppm.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:00 PM   #3
great the picture works?

Sorry I ment to say degrees not ppm. He isnt that old, was bought about 8-10 months ago, he has doubled in lenght since he was bought.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:15 PM   #4
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For the picture, make sure to authorize in your firewall settings.

As for the fish, I will see what I can find but it seems that the GH might be a little high. I keep mine between 8 and 10 dGH so that could be the cause.

Are you adding any salt to the water? If you are then that might be the reason also.

And just to make sure, he is in an established, cycled tank right?
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:36 PM   #5
Ya I know the GH is high, I dont know how to get it down. Our local water comes from a manmade lake in clearcreek canyon so its totally surounded by sandstone and GH is through the roof (I dont have a water softener at my house). but basicly people were telling me GH isnt a big deal and as long as its constant the fish will get use to it. Right after I do a water change its always a little higher but then goes down a bit after a few days. I did add aquarium salt once but I thought it was suppose to make fish happier, I have done 3 5 gallon water changes since then, I do a 5 gallon water change once a week
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:56 PM   #6
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Hmm, only way I know to lower GH in your case is to use bottled water for half you water changes. I do not know if CAE will suffer from high GH. Not many fish can't cope with higher levels and most will adapt like you said, I am not sure.

You can try some melafix or other generic fin remedy to see if that helps.

Also, what is the temperature of your tank?
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Old 12-14-2007, 05:21 PM   #7
I am pretty sure the tank is cycled at least on a minimal level, I basically fallowed the instructions I found on this site except I didn't add any ammonia to check it and instead of a shrimp I used a piece of frozen fish, the type for eating, I forget the name of the type of fish it was but it wasn't cooked. and I added a handfull of gravel from my other tank. It ran for about 4 weeks with no fish in it. I tested it before I put the CAE in (for the first time) and the ammonia was 0 and tested it about every week thereafter and it has only ever been 0. the filter is a penguin and the cartridge has some green/grey slimy stuff on it that I think is bacteria laden.
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Old 12-14-2007, 05:22 PM   #8
78 degrees F. always constant
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:25 PM   #9
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Are you using test strips or a liquid test kit?
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Old 12-19-2007, 02:34 AM   #10
I use the API liquid test kit. BTW I thought I should mention that in the picture he looks kinda red, and yes he is. the picture looks accurate on my screen. Its been a few days since I posted; I started adding melafix a few days ago, and nothing to report so far.
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