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post #1 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 02:41 AM Thread Starter
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Sick Angelfish?

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I have one angelfish that has been having problems for a few weeks now. He seems to sit near the top of the aquarium quite often. The first signs of any visible damage was 2 white spots about half a cm apart from each other on his side. To me they didn't look like ich, it almost looked like they were slight depressions or removed scales. About 3 days later that was completely gone and healed up. He seemed to be doing a bit better for a little but continued to sit near the top by the heater quite often. I have two black angelfish that are his siblings or were at least a similar size that are now probably double his size. Anyways, recently it seems he has stopped eating as much. He eats a few flakes and bloodworms each time -- he doesn't practically jump out of the water when I feed them or beg constantly like my other angelfish; tonight I fed them frozen brine shrimp and he kept eating it and spitting it out. I also noticed tonight that he has some white stuff or an open sore or something on his side. Attached is a photo.

The aquarium stats are:
8.2 pH
16-17 dGH
10-11 dKH
0 ammonia
0 nitrite
10-20 ppm nitrate (it's really hard to tell the color difference....)

I'll provide any more necessary info if it helps just ask. :)

Please help me save him! D=

I tried really hard to get a picture of him for 20 minutes and these were the best I could get. He kept showing me his healthy side!





It's the white stuff on his side that is new...

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post #2 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 04:07 AM
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Hmmm..I would suspect one or both of the other fish have decided to bully him. What kind of test kits are you using, strips or liquid?

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post #3 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 04:37 AM Thread Starter
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I used the API liquid test kit I just got in the mail today. In regards to the nitrate, it can be anywhere from 5-20 depending on the lighting or how I look at it. Maybe I'm colorblind... but I don't suspect nitrate would be the cause?

I would suspect bullying too but my fish tank is right next to my bed and when I'm watching tv or something I'll glance over at it all the time and I don't see any of my angelfish ever get aggressive. :/ They aren't that old yet. I meant to add that to the original post. I suppose I can keep an even better eye on the aquarium, though, and see...

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post #4 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 04:45 AM
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They could be doing it when you are not there. It only takes a quick poke or swipe to do damage. And it only takes a time or two to intimidate the one being bullied. Which would explain the habit of not wanting to eat, and hanging near the surface. It may have only happened once, and now the fish that was bullied has picked up a secondary bacterial infection from the injury. To be sure, can you isolate him in a quarantine tank for observation, rest, and possible need to medicate? And get some better pics of the exact spot you are talking about.

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post #5 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 05:10 AM Thread Starter
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Poor guy! I hope that bullying is all it is! But, I am obsessed with my fish lately so I watch them quite a bit, and I have not seen one ounce of aggression from any of them.

I know it's blasphemy, but right now I don't have a quarantine really ATM. I have a 44g and a 50g. The 44g now has a couple angelfish since I had too many in my 50g. It was initially my semi-quarantine tank. New arrivals, which I haven't had any for a while, still go there for a few weeks to observe; it's mostly empty. I probably should have just left it for quarantine... But anyways, I don't think this angelfish would be happier in there. And my parents won't really let me have another (quarantine) aquarium in their house... they complain enough as it is...

So, maybe I will do a water change to keep the water clean so it heals nicely, and keep an eye on it. Possibly get a tank divider... Thanks for the help!

And I will try tomorrow when the lights go on to get another photo. Although, for my iphone camera (which is the best camera I have sadly), these are actually pretty good pictures. Still, I will try.

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I wonder if he might get along better with the other angels? Or they might just see him as an intruder and attack his weakness. The tank divider and clean water might do the trick. Please don't rule out that he has just become sick without aggression, because of anything I said. Good luck with him.

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post #7 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 05:25 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks! I will see if anyone else chimes in with ideas as well that don't concern aggression, although I know it's probably not easy to see much with the picture.

One of the angelfish outside is... well, kind of a jerk. He's a bit larger (I was going to take him to the pet store but he's just so pretty! I couldn't do it!). And the other slightly aggressive one is outside (by outside I mean an office that is slightly detached from the house) with him, sooooooo I'm not too sure it would be a great place for him if bullying is what is causing his problems. The large angelfish is NOT welcoming to other angelfish... I had to separate him time and time again and move things around until he finally stopped being a (big) jerk to the other angelfish with him.

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Boy it's hard to imagine some fish ever get together and make new ones isn't it?

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post #9 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 05:38 AM Thread Starter
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Hahaha! Yes.... Especially cichlids. Which love to get together.
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post #10 of 11 Old 01-16-2014, 07:59 AM
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If you don't have another tank get a divider. Target feed with frozen brine shrimp with a little metronidazole sprinkled on it.
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