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Old 11-24-2007, 02:15 PM   #11
 
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With the description you've given, this sounds like a tape worm... and the best med to use for that would be PraziPro.
Before using this medication I first would have to ask what kind of filter you are running on this tank? Is there carbon in it? Is the filter you are using rated for the tank size you have?

During medication you will need to remove any carbon that is in the filter. Take a look at your tank, is the output of water flush with the surface of the water or is there space where the water "falls" into the tank, breaking the surface of the water?

I also suspect the bubbles are from the water conditioner, and the easy was to tell and to fix it would be to do a few water changes without the conditioner, and make sure there's a lot of carbon in the filter when you do this. (This means you can only treat one issue at a time, and I would do the medicating first considering the condition of the betta)

The other thing I would highly suggest would be to test the pH in your water supply (tap water with no conditioner) and then test the water in the tank for pH again. If they don't match exactly, post the results here and we can help you. Too much water conditioner in the water can cause pH to drop over time. If this has begun happening, then water changes need to be done much more often and much less water at a time to avoid shocking the fish...

If you have more questions, please post before making changes or medicating. Depending on what type and size of filter you are using, you may need to run a few air stones in the tank during medicating. I won't know if this is needed until I know what kind of filter is on the tank. I can also help you find the med online if you need, just let me know.

One last important note: PraziPro doesn't mix with all medications, so to avoid turning your tank conditions toxic quickly, please make sure you do at least 1 - 2 water changes and run carbon in your filter for at least 48 hrs before attempting to use the PraziPro.

Hope this helps...
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Old 11-25-2007, 06:16 AM   #12
 
i really am appreciative of all your help,thanks

About the filter….

The filter in this tank is built in, you can see how it works here: http://www.juwel-aquarium.de/en/filter_full.htm . The water doesn’t brake the surface its just under it, not that powerful in comparison to my other tank (which has a different filter)

I took the carbon out a while back for the meds (come to think about it around the same time the slime appeared)

which that filter type is a air stone required?


tape worm….

from the pictures does it look like that? it looks bad, what are the chances if it is tape worm. I will do another change today and get the med. I have in the tank some neon's and one little molly (only in the tank because he is too small for the big tank yet)

The fighter fish's behaviour has still not changed he acting like nothing is wrong (if that makes sense). I feed him this morning, I did notice a lot of poo hanging from him this morning more than normal, very long.


ps what is the risk to the other fish?

Water ph…

Tap water PH = 6.6
Tank PH = 7.0 - 7.2

could it be any of thess? Protozoan Parasites?
http://www.cellsalive.com/parasit.htm
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Old 11-25-2007, 11:05 PM   #13
 
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i really am appreciative of all your help,thanks

About the filter….

The filter in this tank is built in, you can see how it works here: http://www.juwel-aquarium.de/en/filter_full.htm . The water doesn’t brake the surface its just under it, not that powerful in comparison to my other tank (which has a different filter)

I took the carbon out a while back for the meds (come to think about it around the same time the slime appeared)

which that filter type is a air stone required?

tape worm….

from the pictures does it look like that? it looks bad, what are the chances if it is tape worm. I will do another change today and get the med. I have in the tank some neon's and one little molly (only in the tank because he is too small for the big tank yet)

The fighter fish's behaviour has still not changed he acting like nothing is wrong (if that makes sense). I feed him this morning, I did notice a lot of poo hanging from him this morning more than normal, very long.


ps what is the risk to the other fish?

Water ph…

Tap water PH = 6.6
Tank PH = 7.0 - 7.2

could it be any of thess? Protozoan Parasites?
http://www.cellsalive.com/parasit.htm

This still sounds to me like it's a tape worm. Do you have a quarantine tank you can use to medicate the betta? The chances of this being contageous to the other fish is small, but I would watch them just in case. The safest approach here would be to move the betta to a smaller tank by himself, medicate him there and wait until he's well before considering putting him back into the main tank.
I say this for 2 reasons... 1 because then there is no worry of the other fish being affected by the meds and 2 (and most important) that's quite a large tank for a betta, especially a sick one. If a betta gets old or sick and is unable to reach the surface, they will drown. The best long term environment (and safest) is a shallow tank.
If you choose to medicate the entire tank, then yes, I would certainly suggest the use of an air stone during medicating, but be sure it doesn't stress the betta too much and make him sicker. (another advantage to using a quarantine tank is that you have more control over the air flow/water flow)

I can say it's not going to be any of the parasites listed on the page you posted the link to. A tape worm looks nothing like those. Your pH looks fine, and the 2 are close enough for you to do as frequent of water changes as you can (until the fish is well) just small amounts (not more than 25% - 30% each time). As for the risk to the other fish... I would say the most at risk would be the molly if it's a fry, again, a good reason to use a quarantine tank.

One thing that is nice for the bettas and quarantine situations is that you can use a bucket if need be, so long as you drop in an air stone with a control valve (because of the meds) and a heater. This saves some of the expense of quarantine set up and after using it, you can store it empty somewhere or use it for something else. (you may even have one handy for water changes, just make sure that no soap or chemicals have ever been in the bucket).

I hope this helps, if you need anything else, let me know.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:03 AM   #14
 
Thank you again, I have taken all of your advice and will let you know the outcome, fingers crossed.

started the med yesterday in a quarantine tank. found it very had to get the med local. I called 5 aquariums, but managed to find one on my last call.
will keep you posted.

Glyn.
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