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Siamese Fighting Fish Belly
Old 11-23-2007, 09:00 AM   #1
 
Siamese Fighting Fish Belly

I am getting extremely worried about my Siamese Fighting Fish, over the last few weeks he has developed a strange abnormal growth as you can see from the picture. It is like it has a huge belly. It is not just at once side but like a big balloon in his belly.

He still eats well, behaviour has not changed, and swims with no problems.

Could anyone help me, I have put some salt in and tried some gen tonic but its getting bigger! i don't want to lose him.

Thanks, Glyn

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Old 11-23-2007, 09:13 AM   #2
 
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Hi and welcome to Fishforum.com, Glyn.

What are your water parameters?:) Size of tank and tank maintenance schedule? What about appearance of his poo? I noticed lately a lot of bettas are in the same situation as yours.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:26 AM   #3
 
He is in my community tank with only a few neon’s 70L tank.

I never see him pooing that much, I have tried him with a few peas to see if he was blocked he had them all and I did see a bit of poo for a few days after. colour is brown

Ph is fine, temp 28-30

The tank levels are ok, but, I do have this strange clear slime on the top of the water I have tried everything to get rid of it, could that be related?

PS he only really eats one food, special small balls I purchase formulated just for fight fish, he will not touch the normal flake food, how strange is that.
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:28 AM   #4
 
maintenance schedule?

once a week, every week, 25% water change. replace water with treated tap water
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Old 11-23-2007, 09:52 AM   #5
 
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The tank levels are ok, but, I do have this strange clear slime on the top of the water I have tried everything to get rid of it, could that be related?
Hmmm...I'm clueless at the moment about it.
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PS he only really eats one food, special small balls I purchase formulated just for fight fish, he will not touch the normal flake food, how strange is that.
Bettas happen to be very picky eaters. My guess in your situation is the internal organs on the right side could be swollen. I'll have to ask Bettababy, another fellow member about this.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:23 PM   #6
 
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Hi there, I'll help if I can...

The first quesitons I have to ask: Are the scales on the fish raised (sticking out/lifting up)? Is the swelling on just one side or all the way around the belly area of the fish?

This could be a number of things, but I'd like to warn against experimenting with meds if you really want to save your fish. Bettas are very sensitive to most medications. Also, remember, you can't medicate properly if you don't know what the problem is first. "Guessing" and just trying various meds is a good way to kill a fish.

This could be the beginning stages of dropsy, for which there is no cure, it could be an internal parasite, internal bacterial infection... and for each thing there is a specific treatment that is safe. A betta with dropsy can still be treated and can still live for well over a year.

OK, next questions... You mention that your water quality is fine, but didn't post test results. That, honestly, tells us nothing. When we ask for test results it's not just to know if they are within "safe" ranges, but also in how they balance out together. Knowing exact numbers is always important when asking for help, so can I ask you to please post exact results for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH?

As for the slime on top of the water, that, also could be a few things... the first thing that comes to mind is an overdose in water conditioner? When you do water changes, are you adding enough conditioner for the whole tank each time or just the water you are changing? Which conditioner are you using? Also, how often are you feeding and what foods besides the betta pellets? Are there live plants in the tank? Is the water cloudy? Are there bubbles or "foam" at the surface? What kind of filter are you using?

I apologize for the many questions, but I'd like to help, and without those answers, there's not much anyone can do. The more you can tell us about your tank and situation the faster we can help. Asking these questions all at once saves precious time... so I am sorry if this seems overwhelming.

And lastly, the food issue... most bettas will eat limited types of food. I can count on 1 hand the number of bettas I have seen eat the flake food over a 10 yr period of time. If you're looking for an alternative that the neons can eat too, try things like live or frozen adult brine shrimp and freeze dried plankton. The pellets contain everything a betta requires to meet nutritional needs, but a variety in foods (different food each day, not all different foods in one feeding) is always the healthiest way to go. The neons should eat all of the foods I suggested, which could save you time, money, and worry about who's eating and who's not.

I hope this helps, I will watch for your reply with answers and do what I can to help your fish.
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Old 11-23-2007, 03:57 PM   #7
 
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In addition to the other posts, I noticed that you mentioned adding salt...which type of salt did you add? Epsom salt would be the correct kind to add in this situation. This salt tends to draw fluid/gas OUT of the fish, instead of regular salt that could make the fish absorb more fluid, thus making it bigger. I suggest you perform water changes to rid the tank of regular salt, so you can add Epsom salt.

Just a little Epsom salt will suffice....1/8 teaspoon per five gallons of water.
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Old 11-24-2007, 04:41 AM   #8
 
Thank for all the responses on this, to answer bettababy questions first…

No scales are raised, he has been like this for a few weeks getting bigger every few days.

> "Guessing" and just trying various meds is a good way to kill a fish

I understand, I only want to do what is right I have had him 1 1/2 years and become very attached to him.

Tank levels: (tested today, before my weekly water change)

Ammonia 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 5.0
pH = 7.2

the clear slime I can suck up on the water change but it comes back after a few days… the slime is only on the top of the water

Water treatment: Aqua Plus, I add one full perpet per 9 liters which is about what I replace (one bucket full 9l mark) each time

food: Betta Bio-Gold (Hikari) this is all he will eat (part form the pea he seem to like) blood worms, flake food he will not eat.

water is clear, apart from the clear slime on the top, is not cloudy at all.
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:21 AM   #9
 
i only added salt once which i got from the pet shop (aquarium tonic salt - crystal clear)

also been adding Liquisil General Tonic (interpet) once a week for 2 weeks.


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Old 11-24-2007, 10:33 AM   #10
 
forgot to answer these questions sorry.

> Are there bubbles or "foam" at the surface?
foam at the side of the glass top, not much, and bubbles in the clear slime which covers the whole top area. i have done a water change today and sucked most of it up but its already coming back.
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