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Second Ick attack within a few weeks
Old 07-13-2011, 03:13 AM   #11
 
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i should also mention that as long as it is not too out of hand, ich is not all that detrimental to the fishes health. if you lose any fish in the next few days my money would be on the ammonia. im telling you this so you dont worry too much about getting it all done right away. this will take some time.

ich attack can work fine, we used it in the store a lot on the tetra tanks with fine results, but other times it didn't seem to work at all, so you'll just have to see how that goes. if you do have to eventually use the rid-ick out of the hundreds of times i have treated ick this is my favorite and i used it in my home tanks when i introduced an outbreak to my tank from an online seller. the tank was a planted tank with cherry shrimp and endlers actively breeding throughout the process, i think i went treated for 21 days. water changes are important when using copper treatments though, so if that's a problem then the ick attack is a good choice to try it will basically naturally breakdown in your water.

i would also like to stress again that salt can be harmful when used on fish that don't tolerate it well. in small doses it wont do a lot of harm, but then again, it wont treat anything either, and increasing the temperature is a give and take, i havent used this method too much personally, but i have observed it several times both in store and via costumer experience and its basically lowering the fishes immune system as your trying to fight off one disease. usually by the time the ick is gone the fish have already been taken by a bacterial outbreak. yes, i have heard of customers using this method with great results, but those fish were in very good condition.

my suggestion is to pick one thing, the ich attack and treat with only that, as far as all else is concerned pamper your fish as much as you can. id lower the temp, if for no other reason then to allow more dissolved oxygen in the water, and definitely work on that ammonia/nitrite.
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:36 PM   #12
 
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I say treat the ich, and keep up the water changes daily to handle the nitrite. Many treatments for ich will hinder the bacteria population... If you try to cycle the tank and postpone the ich medication, you'll probably still have a mini-cycle when you treat in the future. I would just stick to whatever treatment worked before, but keep the treatment going for at LEAST one week after symptoms disappear.

I would do 30% minimum water changes daily (by vacuuming the substrate).
During treatment, feed very little to help control ammonia and nitrite.
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Old 07-14-2011, 12:28 AM   #13
 
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I say treat the ich, and keep up the water changes daily to handle the nitrite. Many treatments for ich will hinder the bacteria population... If you try to cycle the tank and postpone the ich medication, you'll probably still have a mini-cycle when you treat in the future. I would just stick to whatever treatment worked before, but keep the treatment going for at LEAST one week after symptoms disappear.

I would do 30% minimum water changes daily (by vacuuming the substrate).
During treatment, feed very little to help control ammonia and nitrite.
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Old 07-14-2011, 01:03 PM   #14
 
I am also a newbie who had ick during my cycling period (tank started May 3). I just wanted to share with you my experience... I had one fish who has been through the ringer - a female sailfin molly who had been bullied, was pregnant, going thru a new tank cycle - and she was the one who developed ick in my tank. None of the others of my fish ever showed any symptoms... The moment i saw the ick I bought Quickcure, removed my carbon and started a temp raise (from 76 to about 85). At this point, i was still doing lots of water changes to get through the cycle. I treated the ick for about 10 days. I do not have salt in my tank at all as I was afraid of hurting my cory's and tetras. I also had to dose at the 'tetra' level of only 1 drop per gallon...

The ick cleared up no one else caught it. I think that she was the only one who caught it because she was having so much stress. Probably that is why it is re-occuring in your tank. Your fish are stressed out about the water conditions.
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Old 07-14-2011, 06:45 PM   #15
 
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I am also a newbie who had ick during my cycling period (tank started May 3). I just wanted to share with you my experience... I had one fish who has been through the ringer - a female sailfin molly who had been bullied, was pregnant, going thru a new tank cycle - and she was the one who developed ick in my tank. None of the others of my fish ever showed any symptoms... The moment i saw the ick I bought Quickcure, removed my carbon and started a temp raise (from 76 to about 85). At this point, i was still doing lots of water changes to get through the cycle. I treated the ick for about 10 days. I do not have salt in my tank at all as I was afraid of hurting my cory's and tetras. I also had to dose at the 'tetra' level of only 1 drop per gallon...

The ick cleared up no one else caught it. I think that she was the only one who caught it because she was having so much stress. Probably that is why it is re-occuring in your tank. Your fish are stressed out about the water conditions .
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:28 PM   #16
 
My aquarium parameters are:

PH 8.4
Ammonia 2.0
Nitrite 5.0
Nitrate 5.0

The nitrate seems to have gone down from 20 to 5 and the ammonia seems to have gone up from 1 to 2.

I did a 25% water change today.

I have put some ammonia safe in to temporarily help with the high ammonia. I am still using Tetra Lifeguard after 10 days and the Ich has not returned for a third time. I have 2 teaspoons of salt per gallon and the temperature of the tank is 86 degrees.

Now I noticed that 2 of the Cardinal Tetras have fin rot and they also have a large brownish spot on their bodies.

I am not quite sure if I should switch to 10 days of Kordon's Ick Attack or if I should add Melafix for the fin rot.

I know the quality of the water is poor, but until the nitrogen cycle takes effect, I cannot do anything besides more frequent water changes.

Any feedback would be appreciated.
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:44 PM   #17
 
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i would add the melafix, it doesn't harm the fish too much and i would definitely let the temp drop a little and stop adding salt. tetras hate salt. you may be killing the ich but your also killing the tetras. treating ich in a stressful way often leads to secondary infections.

keep treating with rid-ick, keep up the water changes and start adding melafix into the mix. with all the treatments and water changes you may have a hard time cycling your tank. if you want you can squeeze your filter media into a bucket of dechlorinated water. then ad some kind of media that you will later add to your filters, this can be a fresh replacement filter or just some simple aquarium cotton. then start adding food to the bucket to get a reasonable ammonia spike, maybe just 4-5ppm and let it sit untouched until it cycles, you can then add these bacteria to your tank later.
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:56 AM   #18
 
I have added Melafix which hopefully weill help with the Finrot.

Here is a photo of a Cardinal Tetra that looks ok and one that has the rot on it's body.

Can anyone identify what this disease is?
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Old 07-21-2011, 12:59 PM   #19
 
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its hard to tell anything from the photo. first thing i thought of was that maybe you were overdosing with rid-ick or another copper treatment without doing the water changes, and that it was a copper burn on the skin, but if i recall you went with ick attack instead. is it purely discoloration, or it it actually like a bite has been taken out of it's side?
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:52 PM   #20
 
Ammonia burns? No more fish to this tank until your cycle is finished. The Ammonia and the Nitrites are going to be the biggest issues causing disease to your fish at this point. The Nitrates under 40 will not harm the fish either, not worried about those at the moment. But you rgoing to have to keep an eye on those Ammonia numbers as those are the biggest worries at the monent. They'll burn up the fish and their gills. Switch nothing at present time. Your not giving anything time to work, you keep changing it up, and thats not helping. You should add some Amquel+ or something of that nature jsut to keep your params closer to normal.
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