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Old 05-22-2009, 12:39 PM   #1
 
Unhappy quick, need help with ich!

Will ich cause the fish to sort of swim on its side? I have a barb that is swimming slightly on its side and has a few white spots on its tail? What could it be? What will cure it? I have melafix and pimafix I'm about to dose the tank with. WIll this cure it or do i need something else? Will those have ill effects with cories?

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Old 05-22-2009, 01:09 PM   #2
 
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Will ich cause the fish to sort of swim on its side? I have a barb that is swimming slightly on its side and has a few white spots on its tail? What could it be? What will cure it? I have melafix and pimafix I'm about to dose the tank with. WIll this cure it or do i need something else? Will those have ill effects with cories?

I need answers as quickly as possible.
I have not experienced fish swimming on their sides when attacked by ich. It could be something else (on its own or with ich). I personally do not like to dose an aquarium with medications unless it is essential. Is it possible for you to post a photo of the barb? Is the barb the only fish with spots? Also, it this a new tank set-up?

I have not used melafix or pimafix; if it is ich I would use Aquari-sol or Kordon's Rid-Ich. Both are better with sensitive fish, and corys are sensitive to any chemicals. I have used copper-based remedies in the past and the corys are not happy, they charge around and breach the surface much more than normally which is a sign of stress and that can lead to other disease. Aquari-sol and Rid-Ich has not affected my corys this way, although it is still obvious they do not like the medications.

But you need to be certain it is ich (or whatever) before treatment; once a treatment is used, it is unwise to use another as the two may work either opposite or combine to make matters far worse.
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:16 PM   #3
 
I tried to get a picture of him but he won't stay still long enough. I don't think the spots are big enough to show up on the pic anyways. I'm honestly not sure what it is. The params look good today. I had .25 ammonia last night and did a partial water change as i had been out of town and havent had a chance. everything is evened back out and looks good now. I think i will seperate the barb off by himself and see how he does, that way i can monitor him and know he isn't being bullied.What else might cause tiny white spots on the tail?
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Old 05-22-2009, 01:18 PM   #4
 
sorry, forgot to answer. the tank isnt new, it is cycled. I'm not sure if it is established yet though. I've been running it for a while (not exactly sure how long). I have been through the cycle and a few mini cycles. as far as i can tell the barb is the only fish with spots.
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:16 AM   #5
 
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sorry, forgot to answer. the tank isnt new, it is cycled. I'm not sure if it is established yet though. I've been running it for a while (not exactly sure how long). I have been through the cycle and a few mini cycles. as far as i can tell the barb is the only fish with spots.
The mention in the previous post of ammonia reading .25 is a concern, and you've said this is not a new tank. In an established tank, the ammonia should never read above "0" unless something goes wrong and the system is suddenly overloaded with biological matter such as several dead fish, too many new fish at once, or the bacteria are severely reduced somehow (new filter media plus gravel vacuuming during large water change at same time, etc).

If fish are stressed, ich can break out as a result. The ich has to have been introduced at some recent point, but this can happen (it has to me) and not show itself for a few weeks as spots on fish. I am told it can reside in fish gills, and if the fish are otherwise healthy their immune systems fight it off and it never breaks out. But a stress like an ammonia spike can trigger it.

Keep an eye on the fish for more spots. I wouldn't start adding meds unless something is definitely there. As I mentioned, in good conditions fish can fight things off.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:23 AM   #6
 
The ammonia spike is concerning. I have two albino cories, 4 snails, and three tiger barbs living in one ten gallon tank. I have a feeling in such a small tank there is a really fine line on keeping things in order. I have a feeling i waited just a little to long to do my gravel vac and water change. But then again that's just a guess and i have nothing to base that off of.

I have the one fish with one, maybe two tiny spots on his rear fin. I'm not sure what the likeliness of this being ich is, or what else it may be.

I decided against meds and have started upping the temp. SHould i put the temp back regular or keep it up? Water condition has a big part in fish health, would constant partial water changes help get rid of it or do i have to attach the ich directly to get rid of it? I wasn't sure if the increased water changes could single handedly help things.
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:56 AM   #7
 
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The ammonia spike is concerning. I have two albino cories, 4 snails, and three tiger barbs living in one ten gallon tank. I have a feeling in such a small tank there is a really fine line on keeping things in order. I have a feeling i waited just a little to long to do my gravel vac and water change. But then again that's just a guess and i have nothing to base that off of.

I have the one fish with one, maybe two tiny spots on his rear fin. I'm not sure what the likeliness of this being ich is, or what else it may be.

I decided against meds and have started upping the temp. SHould i put the temp back regular or keep it up? Water condition has a big part in fish health, would constant partial water changes help get rid of it or do i have to attach the ich directly to get rid of it? I wasn't sure if the increased water changes could single handedly help things.
Well, it all depends on what the problem is, whether water changes or meds or whatever will help. But, partial water changes done regularly (to maintain relatively stable and consistent water quality and parameters) are an important part of maintaining healthy fish tanks. But there is a slight chance of trouble with this, slight but possible. When was the last time you did a partial water change, and what is the pH in the tank? I won't explain the reason for this question now, but may depending upon your answer.

I agree that your fish load is pushing things in a 10g. The smaller the water volume, the more effect everything has on the inhabitants, because water parameters (pH, temp, hardness, nitrate level...) can change more rapidly that in larger tanks. Tiger barbs are active fish that should be kept in groups; 3 is better than 2, but 5 or more would be even better--they form a pecking order naturally, and will interact "naturally" if kept in a group rather than fewer when aggression towards one of them could be more severe. This is a possible reason for ich to appear, plus any number of other things. While a 10g is small space for such active fish, you could probably manage with vigilant maintenance (weekly pwc). Are the snails large ones? If yes, they contribute quite a bit to the bioload just as fish do, making the pwc even more critical.

On the temp, as we really have no reason to raise it, I would leave it normal; low to mid-70's is good for such active fish, and the corys would do fine as well. Higher temp means less oxygen in the water, and while that wouldn't bother corys (as you know, they extract oxygen from the air as well as normal gill respiration, and must do so regardless of the water), for active fish like barbs this is not recommended.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:09 PM   #8
 
I do do water changes weekly if not more. I try to do them every 5 days or so with the amount of fish in such a small tank. I went out of town for 5 days and didnt get to change the water before hand like i had hoped to (never seem to have enough time leading up to a trip). It had only been like 3 days since the last change so it was only a little over a week. Non the less it was longer than usual and i feel this may have something to do with it. I did a change the day i got home (tuesday). I am getting ready to perform another change either tonight or tomorrow (probably tonight), depends how things go (i am going to visit my aunt in the hospital).

I had a group of five and was going to slowly upgrade to 10 once they get to the 55 gallon. I'm working on getting the 55 cycled so i can get them in a larger group again. THe snails are young pond snails, i'm not sure if this qualifies as large or not?

I've heard the raised temp is one of the safest ways of treating ich without resorting to medicine
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:45 PM   #9
 
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I do do water changes weekly if not more. I try to do them every 5 days or so with the amount of fish in such a small tank. I went out of town for 5 days and didnt get to change the water before hand like i had hoped to (never seem to have enough time leading up to a trip). It had only been like 3 days since the last change so it was only a little over a week. Non the less it was longer than usual and i feel this may have something to do with it. I did a change the day i got home (tuesday). I am getting ready to perform another change either tonight or tomorrow (probably tonight), depends how things go (i am going to visit my aunt in the hospital).

I had a group of five and was going to slowly upgrade to 10 once they get to the 55 gallon. I'm working on getting the 55 cycled so i can get them in a larger group again. THe snails are young pond snails, i'm not sure if this qualifies as large or not?

I've heard the raised temp is one of the safest ways of treating ich without resorting to medicine
Raising the temp on its own will not in my experience cure ich if that is present; the raised temp is usually suggested as part of the remedy because at a higher temp the life cycle of the parasite is more rapid, which means it can be killed a bit faster. But there has to be something in the water to kill the free swimming stage or the released parasites will seek out host fish and keep spreading.

If by pond snails you mean the common small roundish brown snail that fully grown is about 3/8 inch then not a problem. Some aquarists have snails that are larger, say 1 inch or more, like Mystery snails and so forth, and those do contribute more to the bioload.

A pwc every week is normal, and shouldn't cause ich. If it is ich, it has to come from somewhere, usually introduced into the tank with new fish, plants or snails.

Once your 55g is running a shoal of tiger barbs will be a nice site. They are pretty fish and in a group active and interesting. Especially with some plants...nice setup.

Keep an eye out for more spots. I have sometimes noticed one or two "spoits" on a fish and it vanishes in a couple of days and nothing more appears, so...

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Old 05-24-2009, 07:27 PM   #10
 
will the raised temp alone make the spots drop off of the fish, if it is actually ich? If so i can at least use it to determine if it is something to worry about. Yes, those are the snails i am referring to. The partial water change shouldn't cause ich, but will it help get rid of it? I know clean water is the best medicine. Yes, I LOVE tiger barbs - always have. I'm looking VERY forward to getting them in their new home.I'm hoping it will turn out as a very nice tank. I've been watching the fish like crazy lately and will continue to do so.

WHat other signs should i be looking for? How far spread will ich get before it starts doing a lot of damage?
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