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post #1 of 5 Old 12-29-2011, 11:12 PM Thread Starter
Possible ich infestion with live plants. Need assistance please.

While watching my fish tonight I notice a white spot on a couple of my khuli loaches. Then I started to inspect my platies and neons and saw that many of them have a few white spots too. This is my first tank with live plants so I'm not exactly sure what I can treat them with. I do not have a quarantine or separate tank available. Here is all the information I can provide:

1. What is the size of your tank?
45 gallon

2. What are your water parameters? State the brand of test kit used.
API Freshwater Master Kit
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate < 5ppm
pH 8.0

3. Is your aquarium set up freshwater or brackish water?

4. How long the aquarium has been set up?
2 months

5. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?
Three platies for almost 2 months now
Five khuli loaches for 6-7 weeks
Three otto cats for 4-5 weeks
Three fancy guppies for a month
Six neons and one additional platy for 3 weeks
There are only two snails that seemed to have came along with one of my plants. Surprisingly these snails have not multiplied in the 1-2 months that I've had them but they've been doing well.

6. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?

7. What temperature is the tank water currently?
79 degree F

8. Are there live plants in the aquarium?

9. What filter are you using? State brand, maintenance routine and power capacity.
Fluval 305 canister. I clean the sponges inside the canister about every 2-3 weeks.

10. Any other equipment used (aside from heater and filter which are two very important components of the tank)? CO2 diffuser ladder kit from Nutrafin

11. Does your aquarium receive natural sunlight at any given part of the day? What is your lighting schedule (assuming you do not rely on sunlight for our viewing pleasure)?
No natural sun light. Artificial lights are on from 2-10pm
One 36" T5 HO 6700K light
One 36" T5 Colormax

12. When did you perform your last water change and how much water was changed? How often do you change your water? Do you vacuum the substrate?
I performed my last water change today. I change about 10% of the water about once a week, often I'll do it every 3 or 4 days. I do not vacuum the substrate.

13. What foods do you provide your fish? What is the feeding schedule?
Feed once or twice a day. Feed flake food only but will drop a small shrimp pellet on the bottom for the khuli loaches. Otto cats seem to stay full on algae

14. What unusual signs have you observed in your fish?
All fish are behaving normally for now but have some white spots

15. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? If so, what treatments did you use? State your reasons for planning ahead of proper diagnosis.

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post #2 of 5 Old 12-31-2011, 10:31 PM Thread Starter
Was hoping someone would have been able to help me by now. Anyway, I purchased Kordon Ich Attack. Hopefully it works.
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post #3 of 5 Old 12-31-2011, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hywaydave View Post
Was hoping someone would have been able to help me by now. Anyway, I purchased Kordon Ich Attack. Hopefully it works.
that ich attack is worthless. before you use it -- take it back.

The following techniques should help you.

1 - with your plants, if you suspect infestation, remove it and put it into a 5 gallon tub (you can get one from homedepot, fill it with your aquarium water and let it run with normal heated water circulating with light for approximately 2-3 weeks (fishless) this wll make sure that the ich will go through it's lifecycle and die without a host -- it cannot rehost onto plants since they are not compatible hosts.

2 - with your fish with ich, turn up the heat to 85-86 deg F and cover the tank in darkness for approximately 2 weeks as well. The darkness lets your fish rest without stressing it out, also the heat will accelerate the rate of growth and life cycle of ich. You can add some aquarium salt to help, but I would start feeding your fish food fortified with garlic to help build their immune system.

You can soak your fish food in Kent's Garlic Extreme and it would do the same and fortify the food with garlic -- just let it soak up for approximately 15-30 mins before feeding.

I don't like medication and copper since that messes with your water chemistry/beneficial bacteria too much.

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post #4 of 5 Old 01-03-2012, 08:31 AM
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The above is great advice- just don't raise the temperature too quickly or you'll stress the fish.

I mostly just wanted to let you know that no ich medication works. Well, there is one that "works," but the copper will get on your fish and plants and the tank itself, so it's really not worth it.

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post #5 of 5 Old 01-17-2012, 10:20 PM Thread Starter
Well I thought I'd send an update and let everyone know that Kordon Ich Attack worked. I used it daily for 2 weeks. I left the temperature at 79 degrees and didn't touch the plants. I'm proud to say that none of the fish have had any signs of ich for over a week now and have not lost any fish.
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