Please help! Horrible case of Columnaris - Page 2
Tropical Fish

Tropical Fish Keeping - Aquarium fish care and resources » Freshwater Fish and Aquariums » Tropical Fish Diseases » Please help! Horrible case of Columnaris

Please help! Horrible case of Columnaris

This is a discussion on Please help! Horrible case of Columnaris within the Tropical Fish Diseases forums, part of the Freshwater Fish and Aquariums category; --> Aww, Pearl! I'm so sorry to hear! It's always upsetting to lose a fish. . . I'm new to Betta care, and I realize ...

Check out these freshwater fish profiles
Common Pleco
Common Pleco
Loreto Tetra
Loreto Tetra
Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools vBmenu Seperating Image Search this Thread vBmenu Seperating Image
Please help! Horrible case of Columnaris
Old 07-21-2012, 11:08 PM   #11
 
Chesh's Avatar
 
Aww, Pearl! I'm so sorry to hear! It's always upsetting to lose a fish. . . I'm new to Betta care, and I realize it's too late now, but did you adjust the dose of that medication? I've read that the oils in Melafix can be harmful to Betta's labyrinth organs unless very diluted? Just wondering on the off-chance you (or I) will need it in the future.

Rocky. . . just keep on doing what you're doing . . . I think you've gotten good advice and are doing all you can to get rid of this awful illness. *sigh*
Chesh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2012, 11:17 PM   #12
 
Pearl2011's Avatar
 
Dont worry, that happened last August. Pearl jumped out last week. :( And I had a lid . . . duct taped on . . .
This might be the only disease I hate more then Dropsy.
Pearl2011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2012, 11:38 PM   #13
 
RackinRocky's Avatar
 
OMG, Columnaris. . . I never, ever want to deal with this again! I had no idea it could be so deadly. Ches, I do keep the light out all the time on the hospital tank. Only turn it on to feed. And yes, I'm trying to learn to feed less. You know how you worry about the ones that get pushed away at feeding time--my tiny baby Betta that I've only had for 3 weeks would never get anything to eat if I didn't drop some halfway down the tank. And the Bolivian Ram, well you know how they are. He'll come halfway to the surface, but no further, and the mollies, being mollies, gobble up EVERYTHING that comes anywhere near them, so that's the main reason I've fed a bit more than I'd have liked to at times. If only the little betta doesn't get it. She's had a rough time of it, being in Petsmart (you know how that is) and so skinny and tiny. Just in the last week she's been coming out of hiding and losing her fear of the other fish and me. Exploring and finally relaxing. She's so young, and I wanted so much for her to have a good life in that big tank. I'd like to save them all, it breaks my heart to see them in those jars, knowing that most people that buy them will not do them much better. But that's another post altogether. . . And I'm not playing favorites here, but the Bolivian Ram has been such a total and complete delight. I see what you mean, Ches. He's got personality and a half! I'd hate to see him go.

Sorry to hear about your betta, Pearl. I hear they are especially prone to this &&*$*%$$*$ disease! I HATE IT! Seeing that film, or patches on the body, or a white lip or red gills just chills me to the bone now, and I guess it always will. This experience I wouldn't wish on anyone. You never know what will await you in the morning, and you hold your breath, not knowing who might have left you during the night.
RackinRocky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2012, 03:39 AM   #14
 
Snappyarcher's Avatar
 
Rackin I was gonna come on to what to do after treatment later but seeing as its been raised I'll comment now ... This disease can lie dormant on ornaments so you do need to take some action. What I'd suggest is washing all ornaments in distiller vinegar and changing half your filter media then in a months time changing the other half too. Do NOT USE BLEACH!!!!!!! Fis cannot tolerate chelated chlorine!!!!!! Betta are not the "beginners "fish they are made out to be and you are experiencing what can and does happen to virtually all fish keepers... It's not uncommon unfortunately and especially with anabantids. But don't worry it's not a frequent occurrence!!!
Golden rule .... Cheshi is totally and utterly right NEVER OVER FEED... I cannot stress this enough. You might like to consider how riverine fish feed in the wild... They don't have a supermarket or kitchen they can go to when they are hungry ... They have to wait for food to come to them!!!! As such they don't feed every day and often not for a couple of days... That's life in the wild... I personally replicate this opportunistic food supply because I feed when I remember to do so... And to be fair my parameters are always within a good safe level because the fish clean the tank up well.
I agree with lowering the lights too it's a good way to reduce stress.
Hope it works out... You know where I am.
Posted via Mobile Device
Snappyarcher is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Snappyarcher For This Useful Post:
Chesh (07-22-2012)
Old 07-22-2012, 07:36 AM   #15
 
Chesh's Avatar
 
I hope I never have to deal with this one, its nightmarish!

Glad to hear you've been keeping the lights out. And yes. . . lol, I know how difficult it can be to get a Bolivian their dinner with Mollies in the tank. I can't wait until my Mollies go into their species-only tank. I love them so, but they're definitely greedy! Have you tried the cichlid pellets by NLS? This has really helped me out quite a bit. The Mollies seem to have to 'chew' them more, while the Rams gobble them right down. Only. . . I'm not sure if Betta can have them, because of the vegetable and fruit content? I'm new to Betta (well, fish in general!). Maybe something to look into for you? (not that you need anything else to look into right now) It made me feel better to learn that the difference in the appetites of these fish is due to their very different digestive systems - Rams don't need as much food as the Mollies do, and I think it's the same with Betta. Your Mollies are also constantly at work 'cleaning' the tank of algae, so they'll always have enough. My rams are not shy and will come to the surface for food, which has made my life easier. Still, Snappy is right, they don't need to eat every day (though they do beg so! I feel so bad for them!), so less is more - especially right now.

I know a lot of people on here do use bleach, but personally - the thought terrifies me. Vinegar is a great disinfectant, kills fungus and mold spores, doesn't leave a residue, and far safer than bleach should it get into your tank. I actually use vinegar to clean all my fishy things, as well as my counter-tops and such around the house! (I don't like to have spray cleaners and such with so many small children about, and vinegar works just as well). If you don't already have a seperate siphon/vaccume and bucket for your QT/Hospital tank, I'd recommend getting one. Keeping the tank's 'tools' separate will go far in helping to prevent cross-contamination. . . especially with future new-arrivals.

I really hope the rest of your little ones pull through. I know how devastating all this must for you. . . you're doing an excellent job over there! Keep up the good work! Hopefully the worst is behind you - forever!




Pearl? With DUCT TAPE?!! He must have been a Houdini fish, poor little guy. I'm sorry to hear such sad news. . .
Chesh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2012, 11:02 PM   #16
 
RackinRocky's Avatar
 
OK, I'll clean all the ornaments with vinegar. Soak them, I guess? And then rinse well and put back in. Does that sound good? I will change my filter cartridges. Luckily I have several replacements, so I'll replace one half now and the other half in a month.

I didn't feed today, although everyone was really begging. I'll just try to hold off feeding one or two days a week and feed less the rest of the time. I do use the NLS pellets, Ches. Both the betta and cichlid ones. I usually just mix them together and soak before feeding. That way hopefully everyone gets what they need as its impossible to make sure the Ram gets only cichlid pellets, and the bettas only betta pellets.

Question: I am on the 4th day of Maracyn Two, and the second day of Maracyn. Fish were put into the hospital tank at different times. Two were put in two days later than the others. How do I work that in terms of the Maracyn and Maracyn Two ? Its confusing, although I have it all written down. I guess I just have to dose a couple days longer for the latecomers, and the others will have to have 2 extra days? I also started the Maracyn two days later than the Maracyn Two, so that is making it even more confusing. Also, I know I need to do two rounds of treatment with both meds. Do I give the fish a day or two of clean waterand a break from meds before I start the second round? Or do I have to start it immediately, the next day after the first round? I can tell the bettas are not liking all the meds. They act annoyed and not as active, although not sick. I don't want the meds to kill them.
RackinRocky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2012, 01:20 AM   #17
 
Snappyarcher's Avatar
 
Hey Rackin, good question and it actually ahs a very simple answer.... the medication works by concentration in the water.... so what you need to do is dose wit the meds for the times it states on the bottle or package and then take the fish out in the same order in which you put them in... and at the same time intervals.... that way they all have the same length of exposure to the meds at the full concentration..... the reason the dosages are as they are on the package is to make sure the meds are increased in concentration gradually, because, as well we know, fish CAN handle extremes but CANT handle shocks. Id give it 48 hurs before the second round and yes do a 10% water change on both days between the end of the first round and the start of the second round..... this is just to let them breath a bit easier.
The plan with the vinegar is good.... just rinse well because the acetic acid is not something they will have encountered before, however its not as lethal to fish as bleach. Bleach contains sodium hypochlorite which is lethal to fish even in small doses. Anyone who uses bleach anywhere NEAR their fish tank needs their head looking at because it really is dangerous and asking for trouble!
The fish wanting to be fed is a very encouraging sign and you should take heart from this, its good news.... however stick to your guns, sometimes you have to be harsh to be kind.
Well done ... you are doing all the right things and doing well.
Snappyarcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2012, 07:20 AM   #18
 
Chesh's Avatar
 
Rocky! It sounds like things are looking up over there! Keep up the great work, you're handling this so perfectly, I'm proud of you, hon! *hugs*
Chesh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2012, 03:27 PM   #19
 
Pearl2011's Avatar
 
Yes, with duct tape. He was suicidal, my other friend called him a penguin, tries to fly like a bird but needs water. Bad joke, I know.
Good to know about the vinegar, I HATE having to use bleach. Always creeps me out that I wont get all of it off. Only time I use it is if a fish had dropsy or buy a second hand tank. That had turtles in it, since they carry salmonella.
Rackin I hope your fish get better!! I know how stressful multiple fish being sick is, I hate it! OMG i hope they get better.
Pearl2011 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-24-2012, 04:22 PM   #20
 
RackinRocky's Avatar
 
Wow, three days with no deaths, and guess what happens this morning? You won't believe my bad luck. My pecious little blue female betta who was very tiny and terribly skinny that I rescued, was doing just fine (as are all the others in the 55) and had been coming out often and exploring for the last three days, losing her fear of other fish and people, and gaining weight and coming up to the glass to see me for the first time yesterday. I was thrilled.

Well, this morning I noticed she was head down (with tail straight up) with her face in the rocks (pea pebbles). I thought she was rooting for food at first, then realized she wasn't moving. I grabbed a bamboo stick and touched her. No sign of life. I separated the rocks and she floated right up, but lifeless. I looked on her face, and no white lips or spots on her anywhere. She had apparently been rooting around for food and gotten her little head stuck between two pebbles, and couldn't get loose! She wasn't stiff, so I knew it had happened very recently. I pressed her little chest very gently for a few minutes, then remembered to pull her backward in the water to force water into her gills. I tried for 15 minutes. No good.

Ironic, isn't it, that I'm fighting this awful disease, and this betta has not gotten it, and then has a freak accident that kills her? I really cried with this one. She'd been saved, was coming out of her shell and getting bigger and healthy, and then its over, just like that.She was still just a baby. I'm still stunned.

Snappy, I do understand what you're saying, but I not only added fish at different times, I also started the Maracyn AFTER I'd started the Maracyn Two. So in order to get the full 5 day's worth of Maracyn, the first fish added will have to have an additional two days of Maracyn Two. So I can't take them out until they've had their full coursee of Maracyn. Am I explaining this right? Its confusing, I know. I just don't want to expose them to any more meds than I have to. But looks like this is how it will have to go. I just want this over!
RackinRocky is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Tags
columnaris

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:40 PM.