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One Platy not doing too well
Old 02-01-2010, 11:03 AM   #11
 
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Good Morning Dawn,

Thank you for your response. :)

The other two platies are for sure not looking right. These two were very happy and healthy looking when I got them and and even during the ammonia spike in that other tank and after I put them in the big tank. They were very active and just looked and acted right. Now, this is not the case. They are acting pretty much like the other one did when I first noticed him under the weather -- spending too much time under things at the bottom of the tank. One of them has even gone to the top right corner to hang out for a bit.....not gasping but just slightly listless. There is no stringy white poop yet like the other one had, and they are both eating since last night....have not fed them yet this morning. Although, the one did not go for the food much in last night's feeding. The one that is Alpha and normally extremely peppy did eat but I can tell he is different. I am usually very intuitive and there is definitely a change and a problem. There are no obvioius visible outward signs just like the other one, but this morning I did notice a slight nic or mark (very slight) on the surface of one gill.....kinda greyish tone. It is not the shape of a worm though. It is flat. Also, even though his color is basically good...not pale...he inparticular may look a little dull on the top head part and back a little. Kind of hard to explain. I cannot see any distinct powdery like residue but something just does not look right. They were very goodlooking platies. They have not gotten to the clamped fin stage yet.

The water is fine. I just tested it the other day. 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites (liquid tube testers). I am out of my strips for the pH and nitrates, but I know those would be fine at this point. I just did a water change on Saturday evening and the tank is fairly new. The Angels are doing fine and the Tetras seem ok. They always act a little off to me though. You know how they kind flit around and hang in one place sometimes. I think they like less light. When I turn the lights off they swim around more. I read that Phantom Tetras tend to like darker substrate and just a darker environment altogether. My substrate is tan (natural with the reddish brown flourite underneath).

Also, I notice that the platies are sometimes spooking now and they never used to. I read that some diseases can cause this. They are NOT exactly darting around frantically like fish can do with flukes but just seem to spook and dart away like they are just slightly nutty. I just know something is wrong and I think it is some sort of parasite. Hanging low at the bottom this frequently is not normal for these guys. I did some studying online. Since the other one died with color and had stringy poo and clamped fins and no outward visiable sign, I am thinking it was internal parasites. They came from the same place and looked to be from the same batch. Who knows they could have been carrying these IP and it was just a matter of time for them to show signs of it.

I ordered Metronidazole and a medicated food for internal parasites, just in case I need to use it. I would only use the Metronidazole in the hospital tank unless you advise me to use it in the main tank as well. I read where others had fish with similiar symptoms and it did do the trick. Once I get this tank set up, should i get salt a try first along with the medicated food? I was thinking that maybe I should give the other fish the medicated food as well just in case they have picked these IP up and they could also run into trouble in a matter of time. I remember my one Angel sucking up one of that other sick fishes stringy poo, but of course he spit it out.

I think that is all I can really let you know. What should I do? I did order a heater along with the medicine and it is coming from Oregon. I just ordered it on Saturday so they will probably send it today. I will either get it tomorrow or Wednesday. I hate to have to wait like this. The heaters were way to expensive in the stores here. I looked for the IP medicated food the other day but it did not look like Petsmart had it. We only have one other LFS that is not a big chain store, but not sure if she would have it and she is closed on Monday and Tuesday. I could call Petco. Petsmart has it online though. They do not have the Seachem (or whatever it is called) brand of Metronidazole which is supposed to be the best kind. I really do not want to wait. I feel like I should get those platies out of there but I do not have the heater yet.

Please let me know if I am on the right track. Poor platies.

~Holly


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Holly, not a problem with how long in between posts. I'm sorry to hear about your platy.

As for medicating your entire tank... I still have not heard anything that convinces me there is a parasite problem going on here, or ever was. Treating with medications should always be a last resort, just like with any other animal and even with people. That would be like telling me that your child went to school one day and 1 child in the entire school had head lice... your child scratched his head after dinner so you ran out and treated him for head lice even though there was no sign of them. Those treatments are dangerous, with the fish... that is basically the same thing. Medications are toxins that kill bacteria, fungus, and parasites. Please, never medicate any fish just because it might have been exposed to something or it might have an unknown illness.

There is also the added problem that some of your fish will not tolerate a great many of the medications out there that are being commonly dumped into aquariums these days, without any professional advice. That only means one thing... healthy fish turn into dead fish real quick.

If any of your fish shows specific symptoms, please list them along with fresh water parameters and we can sort it all out. As for what killed your platy... without a necropsy done, there is no way to know for sure. There could have been any of hundreds of causes, or combination of causes, including just basic stress and weak genetics.

I will keep watch over this thread for you. If you find you have an actual problem with another fish, please let me know and I'll contribute all I can to helping you. In the mean time I would suggest focusing on keeping water params in good standing, work on getting that QT tank set up as you mentioned, and keep close eye on the remaining fish for signs of a problem.

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Old 02-01-2010, 11:19 AM   #12
 
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P.S. The one platy looks slightly thinner in the mid-section. Of course he is not the Alpha one that gets the most food but he always ate well and certainly enough. I will see if he eats this morning. He is the one last night that seemed not to go out of his way to get the food.
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Old 02-01-2010, 02:58 PM   #13
 
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Holly,
After reading your last post I do agree something is going on with your platys, but I am still hearing no real indicators of internal parasites. I would be more tempted to lean towards bacterial infection than internal parasites... but again, I can see nothing specific at this time to medicate for.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but not all medications are safe to mix/use together. I don't know what "other" medication you are intending to use for the food, but metronidazole can be used to treat food as well as tank water. Please know that if you proceed with metronidazole treatments at this time, it is against my advice.
Can you post any photos of the sick fish? I also would not be using medications in a tank containing sensitive tetras (which includes phantoms) or angels, especially if those fish appear healthy. You may dose the tank with all of the good intentions of a concerned fish mom, but the end result could be disasterous.

If I were to suggest a medication based on the symptoms you have described, it would be Fungus Eliminator in the QT tank only, and only for the platys. If you should decide to do this... please do not salt the water. The Fungus Eliminator has a fair amount of salt in it already. Too much salt is not good. The Fungus Eliminator is not safe for those tetras, so do not dose the main tank.

Good luck to you.
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:33 AM   #14
 
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Hi Dawn,

Thank you for your input. I wanted to let you know that a day or two after you posted this, they all of a sudden appeared competely normal. I hate being stumped on things like this. The only thing I can think is that they started to act weird after that other one died and that was right around the time that I changed the lighting. I don't think it had anything to do with adding the Angelfish because they acted fine with them for several days. They never did quit eating but they sure acted strange....hovering at the bottom and hiding under the sponge filter....a slight gap between the gravel and filter. They never did breath heavy but when they would stay in one spot their little side fins would fan fast. Not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing. I think from what I remember, when a fish is really ill and sick, their side fins tend to slow way down, like they don't have the energy to move them. They are out and about now and just look fine. I hope there is not an actual problem that may affect them on and off. Even though you did not think that the medicine I ordered would have been the right one if they were sick, I guess it never hurts to have medicine on hand for the future. Their symptoms did not seem like a fungus to me though but the way they acted did appear like it could be either bacterial or parasites but nothing really showing on the outside that was definite. I think the change in lighting gave me the ability to see skin texture that may have looked to change on top but really is nothing. There is a small nick on the surface of his one gill, but I think he just nicked himself. Not a bloody nick, but just a surface nick.

I will keep an eye on them. I am sure glad all seems ok. I really hate dealing with sick fish. That is the only thing about this hobby I do not like....when they eventually get sick and die. I am dreading the day that my Angels get old and die. I really have a hard time seeing the really intelligent fish that interact with me get sick. I don't like to see anything sick though.

Thanks again for your valued help.

~Holly



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Holly,
After reading your last post I do agree something is going on with your platys, but I am still hearing no real indicators of internal parasites. I would be more tempted to lean towards bacterial infection than internal parasites... but again, I can see nothing specific at this time to medicate for.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but not all medications are safe to mix/use together. I don't know what "other" medication you are intending to use for the food, but metronidazole can be used to treat food as well as tank water. Please know that if you proceed with metronidazole treatments at this time, it is against my advice.
Can you post any photos of the sick fish? I also would not be using medications in a tank containing sensitive tetras (which includes phantoms) or angels, especially if those fish appear healthy. You may dose the tank with all of the good intentions of a concerned fish mom, but the end result could be disasterous.

If I were to suggest a medication based on the symptoms you have described, it would be Fungus Eliminator in the QT tank only, and only for the platys. If you should decide to do this... please do not salt the water. The Fungus Eliminator has a fair amount of salt in it already. Too much salt is not good. The Fungus Eliminator is not safe for those tetras, so do not dose the main tank.

Good luck to you.
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