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Old 05-02-2008, 12:21 AM   #11
 
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Hi Dawn,
thanks for the reply. The first thing I did when I got home was a water change and I've put carbon back in the filter. I will pick up the meds tomorrow. By the time I get home from work tomorrow it will have been 24 hours from adding the carbon and I can start treatment.

Again, I really appreciate your help. I will keep you updated.

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Old 05-02-2008, 09:32 AM   #12
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Hi,
I am definitely not an expert when it comes to sick fish, but the white spot on your fish's mouth looks a lot like something that I have read about called cotton mouth. If this is the case, you may want to try Jungle Fungus Eliminator or Jungle Fungus Clear because it is a fungal infection. If only one of your fish seems to have this, I would put him in a hospital tank to avoid overly stressing your other healthy fish. I can't help much about the others because I have never seen this before. Also, I once used Melafix on a betta that I got from the pet store that had fin rot (surprise, surprise) and what I did not realize was that if you dose according to the directions, the stuff will build up terribly in the water. It is clear and I didn't even notice it until after a week of putting the stuff in. I felt terrible when I found out! Just a word of caution, and you may want to check this before putting any new meds in. Again, I am not an expert but this is just what I thought of when I saw your pictures. Good Luck!
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Old 05-02-2008, 12:13 PM   #13
 
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This morning before leaving for work I took a glance in the tank to check on the fish. There was no sign of the female Congo. I checked in all the plants, lifted up the driftwood and tree stump...couldn't find her anywhere. I checked the floor around the tank. Not there. I was just about to leave when I glanced in one more time and noticed Hershey, my pleco, munching on something in the grass. If was the female. She was laying deep down in the grass and still alive. Poor thing was on her way out. So I netted her out and had to put her in the freezer to euthanize her. I felt terrible but I didn't have any clove oil on hand.

When I first saw the bumps on the Rainbows mouth I thought of Columnaris also (which is mouth fungus, right?). But I always thought Columnaris was more threadlike and cottony looking. These were like little hard bumps. Also, these white bumps are also on the body of the fish not just the mouth. So I wasn't sure. But I could be wrong. If it is Columnaris it looks like the Furacyn will treat that. I will be picking up the meds at lunch time. Hopefully these are meds that are readily available.
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Old 05-02-2008, 02:36 PM   #14
 
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I'm very sorry to hear about your female congo. That is very sad... but I did warn that the problems are quite advanced and severe.

I just want to touch on a note about the meds. There seems to be a lot of controversy about what the right med is...

A company called Aquatronics used to produce a medication called Spectrogram. It was noted to help specific species more than others... and the rainbows and tetras are on that list. Aquatronics went out of business a few years back, so I have been forced to find the equivelant to the best of their medications based on ingredients.

Not all medications are safe for all fish, and not all medications are as potent as others. Furacyn and Kanacyn together will treat like the Spectrogram because it is essentially the same ingredients, and handles both bacterial and fungal infections when used together, or as in this case, the underlying bacterial infection which thus feeds the fungus. If only one of those illnesses is treated, the fish won't get well, and will repeatedly get the same illness and symptoms over and over again.
Most of you who know me around here know that I am a strong supporter of Fungus Eliminator... but in this situation, the ingredients in fungus eliminator are not going to be safe for congo tetras. Fungus clear by itself isn't likely to handle both bacteria and fungal together... so I relied on something I know works on both problems based on the type of fish that are being treated.

Fish medications seem to be floating around like candy these days, which really scares me. It seems that the majority of people don't realize that any of these medications can be highly toxic if used on a fish who is sensitive to even 1 ingredient... and it takes a lot of time and study and research to be familiar with the most common medications and the ingredients in them.
In situations like this, where you aren't sure... it's better to seek out someone who is sure rather than to guess... unless you're into killing innocent animals that can usually be saved. I have about 10 yrs of experience doing this now, and my husband has over 15 yrs... and a degree in aquatic biology. I try to make myself available to anyone who needs help both in pm here and in private email, and I have the text books and access to many of the manufacturers, something that the majority of people don't have. So instead of guessing when trying to help someone here, please... ask for help. It's not very nice to convince someone that you know what you're talking about when you really know very little... and it's not very nice to toss out suggestions that are potentially fatal to the other person's animals.
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:54 PM   #15
 
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Well, I tried 5 different places and nobody had the Furacyn and Kanacyn. These are what was available:

Maracyn
Maracyn 2
Furan-2
Erythromycin
Tetracyline
Triple Sulfa
API Fungus Cure (3mg Victoria Green B & 30mg Acriflavine)

Are any of these safe alternatives?
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:04 PM   #16
 
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Of those medications you can treat the bacterial problem but not the fungal. The problem is that not all medicines are safely mixed. The Furan-2 has nitrofurazone in it, but it also has furadolizone. I will have to find something else to replace the Kanacyn for you, but from your list of options, nothing there is even close to Kanacyn.
Is it possible to order the meds online? I know that Dr's Foster & Smith have overnight shipping available. If online is an option, I will see if I can find both meds in the same place.
I will do some checking to make sure the furazolidone content won't be harmful to your fish, I'll be back here later as soon as I get home, and will bring you some answers. Hang in there!
Also, you might want to ask the lfs if they can order them for you. They should have it available if they are carrying the others you listed, they may just not stock it because there isn't enough business for that particular med.
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:53 PM   #17
 
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I thought about the online ordering too. I checked Drs. Foster & Smith and Bigalsonline but neither listed either one of those medicines. I will do some more checking around.

The API Fungus Cure claimed to treat fungus and secondary bacterial infections. This won't work for the fish I have?
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Old 05-02-2008, 09:44 PM   #18
 
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Dawn,
After getting home from work and taking a close look at the rainbows it appears that the bumps are taking on a fuzzy appearance. I still have Columnaris screaming at me in the back of my mind. I've read that Kanacyn is a first choice for treating this but as an alternative Erythromycin (Maracyn) can be used. What do you think?
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Old 05-03-2008, 12:16 AM   #19
 
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I wouldn't suggest the Fungus Cure without a quarantine tank, as acriflavin is some nasty stuff. It will stain everything, including you, and it's impossible to remove the staining from the silicone seals in your tank and anything like silk plants, decorations, etc. that it touches.

I think of those medications, you're going to have the best luck with the Furan 2 by itself. If we need to run a 2nd treatment later to handle 1 issue or the other, that is still going to be better than doing nothing at all, or mismedicating. The only one on there that's going touch this issue, really, with any practicality is the Furan 2.

Keep me posted on their progress, and if you notice any new symtoms, or if anything should worsen, please pm me. Watch your fish for signs of distress, such as heavy breathing, lack of activity level, loss of appetite, loss of color, etc. Should you see any new symptoms that look to be extreme, like the heavy breathing, add the carbon back to the tank and do a 25% water change asap. I am not expecting any of your fish to have a bad reaction, but there is always that risk.
Best of Luck to you!
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Old 05-03-2008, 03:21 AM   #20
 
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Thanks for all your time and effort. I will keep you posted of any new developments.
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