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Need help new to the aquarium hobby!
Old 09-10-2009, 12:50 AM   #1
 
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I'm glad, I'm part of a forum now. I need some education on what my fish may be suffering from. I have had my 45 gallon tank established for about a month now. It is a freshwater tank with an undergravel filter. I preform water changes twice a week mondays and thursdays. I have had fish in it previously which consisted of 2x figure eight puffers, 2x black mollies, 2x gold mollies, 10 tiger barbs, 10 neon tetras, and 2x plecostomus. I noticed that my puffers along with my tiger barbs started killing off my tetras and mollies. I believed this happened due to overpopulating. I also noticed that I overfed them and the remains stay on the bottom and formed a fungus. New to the aquarium hobby I didn't think this would effect the fish with normal water changes. I woke up on day to notice that my puffers started to get deposits on the outside of it. Eventually it got worse and their tails started to look torn. I thought it might of been ick so I raised the temp and treated with meds. Then I noticed that it started to form into almost a fuzz on the outside of them. I kelp the treatment up for about a week. I eventually lost both puffers and everything but 1x black mollie, 1x plecostomus, and 1x guppie. I placed them in a holding tank for a week to clean and reestablish my tank. Reading and learning what I did wrong and try to prevent it this time. I have had it setup for a month now. I have currently added a blue gourami, 2x dwarf gourami's, 2x sunset platys, and 3x red wag tail platys along with my 1x plecostomus, 1x black mollie, and 1x guppie. All was fine for the first day or so, then I started to notice my dwarf gourami's kinda stayed to the bottom only to move when fed. Then one day my blue gourami started swimming frantic about the aquarium. On top of all that I just noticed only my gourami's have what looks like ick on their bodies. I'm at a loss for words I need help to save my stock and maintain a health aquarium.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:40 AM   #2
 
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Hello and welcome to the forum.

Do you have a water testing kit? We need to know your ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and ph levels.
It does sound like your last fish died as a result of disease. Disease can be brought on by poor water conditions.
Here is a good thread on ick. http://www.fishforum.com/tropical-fi...wn-white-1255/

Get your water tested at the store, or better yet, buy an API freshwater testing kit. To cure ick, you are going to need extra clean water.
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Old 09-10-2009, 12:31 PM   #3
 
My dwarf gourami's are lying around now and staying on their side what does this usually mean. I hope they are not going to die.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:22 PM   #4
 
I don't have a a test kit yet. Now one of my red wag tail platys is lying around OMG what do I do? I just preformed a 10% water change.
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Old 09-10-2009, 01:34 PM   #5
 
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Are you able to take a water sample to your local fish store or run out and get the API master test kit for freshwater?

I would do this immediately so you know where to start. Crossing my fingers for you.
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:12 PM   #6
 
OK Romad will do. I also got another question do you use slt in a freshwater tank and if so would regular table salt do?
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:43 PM   #7
 
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No on the salt. You have enough problems without adding more stress to the fish. I've explained elsewhere what the internal effects of salt on freshwater fish can be. But you have more important issues to solve now.

We need to know your water parameters as previous responders have asked. Without this, we are guessing. However, there are a couple of things that stand out on which I will comment.

The first "community" of fish was anything but; there were fish in that grouping that must never be kept in the same aquarium. You experienced firsthand why--the aggression of puffers and tiger barbs killed the others. It was not directly due to overpopulating, it was simply the nature of puffers and tiger barbs. It is true that in a much larger aquarium these fish can sometimes be less aggressive than in smaller quarters, but as it is their basic instinct to nip fins or attack any smaller fish, whichever, one must chose their tankmates carefully with this in mind.

Diagnosing disease/problems is not easy and sometimes extremely difficult. One should be quite certain of the disease before adding medications to an aquarium; some fish are highly sensitive to some or all chemicals, and while they may withstand it they often become weakened by stress and then are susceptible to even more issues. The appearance of the puffers you describe was not in my view ich but the result of the tiger barbs nipping their tails and fins. The white growths were probably fungus on the injured broken sites.

The fish you now have are better as a community, although you might see aggression amongst the gouramis. But it won't, yet, be to the extent of that from the barbs and puffers. However, the gouramis appear to be dying so this will not be an issue, but worth remembering to avoid in the future. The demise of the gouramis I would almost bet is due to ammonia and/or nitrite poisioning. New tanks must be cycled, that is, the bacteria must be established to handle the ammonia produced by the fish and subsequent nitrite. It takes anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks in a tank with no plants and no live bacteria added. At this moment, the best thing you can do is a partial water change each day, using a good water conditioner (one that also detoxifies ammonia would be best). Do not vacuum the gravel, and do not clean or change the filter until the tank is definitely cycled. I would also get a bottle of biological supplement such as Seachem's "Stability" or Nutrafin's "Cycle' when you go to the store. It will help in establishing the needed colony of bacteria and ease the stress on the fish that are left, and it might save them.

Ich occurs when fish are stressed beyond their capability to fight off the parasite. Before you jump into more trouble by adding other chemicals, let's get the water sorted out.

When we know your water parameters, namely ammonia, nitrite and pH, either with your own test kit or from the store, we can offer further suggestions. If you do go to the store, make sure they give you the numbers; something like "it's high" or "it's fine" is not good enough since that tells us nothing. We need to know the stage in the cycling at which your tank is now at, and then we can help.

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Old 09-10-2009, 03:50 PM   #8
 
From your description it sounds not like ick but a fungus of sorts. You should post pictures along with your water parameters also.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:56 PM   #9
 
Byron you sound like an expert on this hobby. I appreciate the help eveyone. I will get my water tested as soon as possible. Once again thanks everyone. I also should mention all my fish seem to be faling now to the bottom and dying. Should I start fresh with my tank again and let it cycle properly. Then add some fish?
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:49 AM   #10
 
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Byron you sound like an expert on this hobby. I appreciate the help eveyone. I will get my water tested as soon as possible. Once again thanks everyone. I also should mention all my fish seem to be faling now to the bottom and dying. Should I start fresh with my tank again and let it cycle properly. Then add some fish?
We still don't know your water parameters, but again I am fairly certain this is the effect of ammonia and nitrite poisoning because the tank was not cycled properly. I suggested you add some biological supplement, but there is nothing else I know of that will save the fish if the problem is the ammonia or nitrite. A partial water change of 50-60% each day would help, using conditioned water obviously (a good water conditioner that removes ammonia as well as the other stuff) being careful not to disturb the gravel or the filter media.

As long as one or more of the existing fish are still alive, I would not add any more until the tank is cycled and the fish is/are OK. If you lose all of them, then yes you need to start over. But I still think we should know your water parameters, otherwise we are just playing guessing games with the fish.

Byron.

P.S. You will find a number of "experts" on this forum, aquarists who have travelled this road before and are more than willing to offer advice from their own experiences. I am certainly no more expert than they are. B.
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