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post #1 of 8 Old 01-16-2009, 07:55 PM Thread Starter
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Exclamation My Pink Kisser Has Popeye.. Please Read.

I just noticed my pink kisser Frank has what appears to be popeye... and I don't know whether to associate the popeye with this greenishbrown bruise that has been on his forehead for 2 months..
His eye's are coming out of his head and I can see black in behind both eyes where the eye is coming out, like they are bruised or something.. but no redness.....

I moved him from the 55 to my 10g qt. I had fish in the qt right before this and moved them into the 32g(thank god the 2 weeks were up) So I did a quick water change right before he went in. No other fish in the 55 are exhibiting any signs of illness.
The parameters for my 55 are: ammonia .2 gH 100 kH 200 pH6.8 (fluctuates between this and 7.2)
nitrates and nitrites 0
Now, the parameters for my qt are ammonia .3 gH 170 kH 100 pH 7.3 nitrite 0 nitrate 10
I keep my tanks at 78-79 degrees. I do 15 or 20% water changes almost every 4 or 5 days right now.

I was going to add some salt to the Qt after he got settled because I read it aids in preventing infection????

Sorry so long, I wanted to provide as much info up front as I can, any and all comments/advice wanted!

My 5foot, 56g Tank
2 Madagascar, 2 Bosemi and 1 Millenium Rainbowfish
9 Tiger Barbs
1 Weater Loach, 6 Zebra Loaches
1 Rainbow Shark
1 Raphael Catfish
My 55g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
11 Otocinclus
4 Burmese Zebra Loaches
1 Black Angelfish
1 Banjo Catfish
Lots of shrimp
My 70g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
4 Peppered Corydora, 1 Green Corydora
2 Wood Shrimp
3 Red Eye Tetra
1 Raphael Catfish
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post #2 of 8 Old 01-16-2009, 09:30 PM
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What are you testing with? I see you have ammonia readings. Do you have tests for nitrites and nitrates as well? Pop eye is a good dign of poor water quality. Do lots of water changes!!!!

Ammonia should be zero, so should nitrites. But nitrates should be anywhere from 5-40ppm.

And just before you laid dead weight upon its shores, I stung you in the face for that's the nature of my core.
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post #3 of 8 Old 01-16-2009, 10:49 PM Thread Starter
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Here is a pic of Frank.

I hope this pic helps, but look at his eyes and above his eyes, see the brownish greenish spot? See the darkness behind his bulged eyes?

Any comments/advice welcome.
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My 5foot, 56g Tank
2 Madagascar, 2 Bosemi and 1 Millenium Rainbowfish
9 Tiger Barbs
1 Weater Loach, 6 Zebra Loaches
1 Rainbow Shark
1 Raphael Catfish
My 55g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
11 Otocinclus
4 Burmese Zebra Loaches
1 Black Angelfish
1 Banjo Catfish
Lots of shrimp
My 70g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
4 Peppered Corydora, 1 Green Corydora
2 Wood Shrimp
3 Red Eye Tetra
1 Raphael Catfish
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post #4 of 8 Old 01-18-2009, 10:37 AM Thread Starter
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Exclamation Gone down only a little...

So I've added 2 tbs of marine salt not lastnight but the night before and since then I've noticed what I think is a very small bit of improvement, but his eyes are still bulging and it looks like on one eye his actually eyeball has a bruise or something...:(
I will try to post another picture.....
My b.f says it's too soon to run out and get some antibiotics....

uggh...:( What if his eye pops out, Would I have to freeze Frankie?

My 5foot, 56g Tank
2 Madagascar, 2 Bosemi and 1 Millenium Rainbowfish
9 Tiger Barbs
1 Weater Loach, 6 Zebra Loaches
1 Rainbow Shark
1 Raphael Catfish
My 55g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
11 Otocinclus
4 Burmese Zebra Loaches
1 Black Angelfish
1 Banjo Catfish
Lots of shrimp
My 70g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
4 Peppered Corydora, 1 Green Corydora
2 Wood Shrimp
3 Red Eye Tetra
1 Raphael Catfish
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post #5 of 8 Old 01-18-2009, 12:46 PM
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Bacterial infections, injury and water quality are the most common problems. Vitamin A deficiency, tumors and gas embolism are less common reasons. Pop eye can also be caused by gas bubble disease as a result of oxygen super saturation (excess levels) of the water with the gas, nitrogen. Super saturation occurs whenever the pressure of a gas in the water is higher than the pressure of the same gas in the surrounding atmosphere, whereby the difference in gas pressures causes the gas to get pulled too quickly out of the fish's bloodstream, leaving behind gas bubbles. The other symptoms of this are the appearance of bubbles under the fish's skin. It's caused by excess oxygen in the water, particularly from filters that blow air directly from outside to inside the tank, and from pressurized tap water that did not get mixed.
Treatment
The affected fish should be immediately taken out to be separately treated. It is difficult to specify a specific treatment unless the main cause is definitely known. Large daily water changes should help, if not Epsom salts has been used with good results to draw the fluid out. One tablespoon per 5 gallons of water for at least three days, longer if necessary. Epsom salts isn't really salt (sodium chloride) it is Magnesium Sulfate. If water quality is the problem, a 50 percent water change must be made as soon as possible.
If a new item was added to the aquarium recently, it should be double checked that it is not poisoning the water or letting off chemicals. The quality of the water conditioner that is used should be checked that it has a good opinion by other aquarists. If the water readings are wrong (high nitrAtes etc), a 50 percent water change is recommended again and 15-20 percent water changes 3-5 times per week, until the water readings are correct. Overstocking is a common problem for high water readings. Another common reason would be decaying dead fish and fish food. The tank should be thoroughly searched for any dead fish and precautions must be taken NOT TO OVER FEED, and if the tank is overstocked, steps should be taken in finding some of your fish another good home. If a bacterial infection is the cause we would recommend 'Maracyn', 'Maracyn II', 'eSHa 2000' and 'Anti-internal bacteria' for treatment.
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post #6 of 8 Old 01-18-2009, 01:35 PM Thread Starter
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Fordman...
Thank you very much for your thorough, precise and articulate response to my problem.
Thank you a million.

My 5foot, 56g Tank
2 Madagascar, 2 Bosemi and 1 Millenium Rainbowfish
9 Tiger Barbs
1 Weater Loach, 6 Zebra Loaches
1 Rainbow Shark
1 Raphael Catfish
My 55g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
11 Otocinclus
4 Burmese Zebra Loaches
1 Black Angelfish
1 Banjo Catfish
Lots of shrimp
My 70g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
4 Peppered Corydora, 1 Green Corydora
2 Wood Shrimp
3 Red Eye Tetra
1 Raphael Catfish
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post #7 of 8 Old 01-19-2009, 08:44 AM Thread Starter
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zucchini in his tank...

Frankie is eating his zuccini... I am curious to know, how long can I keep a piece of zucchini in the tank before it starts to contribute to ammonia? I've had a piece in there for him for more than 24 hrs and he is still nibbling at it....
Oh.. I think we are going to try an antibiotic called Maracyn.. Our 55 seems to be developing cyanobacteria and I guess we can try treating that with Maracyn as well......
But we haven't dosed our tanks with anything yet and we don't want to until we have all the informatio we can possible get.. I know that SAE's and otocinclus don't eat cyanobacteria... but do shrimp??

My 5foot, 56g Tank
2 Madagascar, 2 Bosemi and 1 Millenium Rainbowfish
9 Tiger Barbs
1 Weater Loach, 6 Zebra Loaches
1 Rainbow Shark
1 Raphael Catfish
My 55g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
11 Otocinclus
4 Burmese Zebra Loaches
1 Black Angelfish
1 Banjo Catfish
Lots of shrimp
My 70g
1 Siamese Algae Eater
4 Peppered Corydora, 1 Green Corydora
2 Wood Shrimp
3 Red Eye Tetra
1 Raphael Catfish
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post #8 of 8 Old 01-19-2009, 11:48 AM
I think I'd take the zucchini out before it spoils. Mabe put a fresh piece in since he is eating it. I hope Frankie gets over his popeye and gets to feeling better. :)
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