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Old 03-15-2008, 10:09 PM   #1
 
My Fish are dying

I have always had very good luck with aquariums my entire life, but since I have moved back home I am having no luck. I got a small hex 5 gal and though that would be nice for the bedroom (WRONG). When I would put fish in they would die within a few days. So I thought maybe it is the filter because the water was always murky looking. So I got a better filter. That didnt' work. So I went out and bought myself a nice 20 gal for Christmas. I had a male betta, 2 females bettas, a golden chinese algea eater, and a pleclostumus. It has been set up since Christmas (approx 2 months) and no trouble at all. I decided 3 days ago to get some more fish. I purchased 2 silver mollies, 2 dalmation mollies, and 2 Mickey Mouse. Came home, let them float for over an hour, and then added them to the take. One of the silver mollies died within an hour. Next morning when I woke, one of the Mickey's were dead. I went and returned them and got 3 more Mickey's (this makes 4), another Silver molly (to make a pair), and 4 neon tetras. Came home next day from work and one of the dalmations were dead along with 2 of the tetras.

Today one of my females died from whatever this is, and the other female is acting pure goofy...... like she is going into spasms or something......

My setup is a Magnum 350 premium with Bio-wheel. I do a 20 percent water change every week. The water had always looked murky or muddy until I got the Magnum canister filter about 3 weeks ago.

I have tried Quick Cure (I read that on another list I am on) and that hasn't seemed to work, just made it worse.

Any suggestions.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:21 PM   #2
 
Did you cycle your tank?
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:30 PM   #3
 
Yes, I use Cycle Biological Aquarium Supplement, and haven't had any problems until now. It is just funny that I got those new fish and one of them died within an hour of being introducted to the tank, and then they started dying one by one on a regular frequency...... Right now since I have introduced the new ones I have had 8 of the fish die. Since I origionally posted this the other female betta has died.
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:23 AM   #4
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What are your water parameters?
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:49 AM   #5
 
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Re: My Fish are dying

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I have always had very good luck with aquariums my entire life, but since I have moved back home I am having no luck. I got a small hex 5 gal and though that would be nice for the bedroom (WRONG). When I would put fish in they would die within a few days. So I thought maybe it is the filter because the water was always murky looking. So I got a better filter. That didnt' work. So I went out and bought myself a nice 20 gal for Christmas. I had a male betta, 2 females bettas, a golden chinese algea eater, and a pleclostumus.
Already overstocked..shocked that nobody died

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It has been set up since Christmas (approx 2 months) and no trouble at all. I decided 3 days ago to get some more fish. I purchased 2 silver mollies, 2 dalmation mollies, and 2 Mickey Mouse. Came home, let them float for over an hour, and then added them to the take. One of the silver mollies died within an hour. Next morning when I woke, one of the Mickey's were dead. I went and returned them and got 3 more Mickey's (this makes 4), another Silver molly (to make a pair), and 4 neon tetras. Came home next day from work and one of the dalmations were dead along with 2 of the tetras.
Have you ever tested you water with a liquid test kit? No doubt your ammonia is through the roof. Plus you probably didn't add in any of your tank water while you acclimating, am I correct?

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I have tried Quick Cure (I read that on another list I am on) and that hasn't seemed to work, just made it worse.

Any suggestions.
Quick cure and Cycle aren't magical liquids that you can just put into the tank and *poof*, everything disappears. Especially the Cycle, you still actually have to DO the Cycle, it just supposedly helps it go faster (not proven). First off, you need to get rid of the pleco unless it's one of the dwarf ones. The CAE will eventually become aggressive if it hasn't already so that needs to find its way out the door too. Male and female Bettas aren't meant to actually live together, so they need to be separated (a tank divider will do nicely). Pick up a test kit if you don't already have one (API is a nice one), and post your tank parameters as soon as possible. Do not buy any more fish until we have this sorted out, who knows if you ended up buying sick ones and if you have a significant level of ammonia in your tank, well...

I hope this helps at all. Keep us posted
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Old 03-16-2008, 01:53 PM   #6
 
Water readings and other

Well, Sorry, I overslept today, but I did a reading last night before I went to sleep and the ammonia was .25, the nitrates for both were 0.00 and the ph was 7.0. The setup at present is 1 male betta, 1 pleco about 3", 1 Chinese Algae Eater about 2", 4 mickey mouse, I neon Tetra, and two Mollies. It is a 20 Gallon tank with a 20 gal undergravel filter with charcoal activated filters, a H.O.T. Magnum filter with charcoal also right now until I can get another Micron Filter, that returns to the tank and a Marineland Bio-Wheel Pro 30.

When I did the water change today and vacuumed the gravel I found to my surprise 4 little ones down hiding in the gravel. They have the coloring of the pleco, but I am not sure what they are or where they came from. The betta is acting a little sick (laying on the bottom slightly on his side or hiding in the plants), but when I did the 25% water change I added Stress_zyme (5ml per gal), the recommended dose of Prime (2 drops per gallon) and 4 teaspoon of aquarium salt and the betta seems to be responding somewhat already and isn't laying slightly on his side. I am going to retest the water in about an hour to see if anything has changed.

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Old 03-16-2008, 04:58 PM   #7
 
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You shouldn't have ammonia (although it could have something to do with adding the fish), and you SHOULD have nitrates.

You are entirely and extremely way overstocked (a regular pleco alone requires what, a 55 gallon tank?), and the CAE will eventually stop eating algae and start killing your fish. As for the salt, it will probably do more harm than good to some of your fish.

I'd look into finding new homes for pleco and CAE, and get the Betta his own tank, at least 2.5 gallons.
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Old 03-16-2008, 05:54 PM   #8
 
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Well, I mistyped, the ammoniam was .025 not .025. I did take the water with me this time. I had to go and get some food for the babies.... The dalmation molly had 9 little ones that I can find, and I am not going to let them get eaten by the larger fish or starve to death. I also got a test strip kit this time so I am testing both ways, the drops into vials and test strips to see if they match. So far they do except for the N3 which is off the chart on the test strip but the drop in the vial tests ok. The pleco and the CAE are going to find new homes for sure. The pleco at the rate he is growing will be larger than the whole aquarium in month or so. hehehe. The CAE right now is only 3 months old and plays with the betta (he chases the betta and then the betta chases him, but I have read that as he ages he will get more agressive.
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Old 03-16-2008, 06:43 PM   #9
 
typo again

Sorry, my typing right now is not that great, tired.... the ammonia is .025 not .25,

Also, I am confused...... I have been told a good rule of thumb is 1 in of fish for each gallon of water.... but you keep saying the tank is overstocked!!! How can only 10 fish totaling 18 inches be overstocked..... plus with the betta's being labryinth fish they take less air......

And why shoudl I move the male out by himself. I think he is perfectly happy where he is because he told me so.

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Old 03-16-2008, 09:12 PM   #10
 
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Re: typo again

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Sorry, my typing right now is not that great, tired.... the ammonia is .025 not .25,

Also, I am confused...... I have been told a good rule of thumb is 1 in of fish for each gallon of water.... but you keep saying the tank is overstocked!!! How can only 10 fish totaling 18 inches be overstocked..... plus with the betta's being labryinth fish they take less air......

And why shoudl I move the male out by himself. I think he is perfectly happy where he is because he told me so.

Stephanie
Welcome to Fishforum.com, Stephanie.

Flashygrrl is right.:) She meant the CAE can grow to 10 inches which is far too big indeed for a 20g despite being a slow grower. As for the pleco, what species is yours? Chances are that if it is one of the most commonly available species, then you definitely have reached the stocking range. They grow to 18 inches. You may need to replace it with an Ancistrus which is a smaller species of pleco. There are over 400 species that exist, not just the ones we often see.

As far as the inch per gallon rule, it is no hard rule. Just a mere guideline and is flawed. I don't follow it. Take adult size of fish, spacing requirements, tankmates and temperament into consideration when buying a fish.

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