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Loaches dying, not sure why.. Help!
Old 05-14-2010, 04:05 PM   #11
 
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It's interesting that there's such variation in personalities (fishsonalities?). It could be the case with the loaches as well. The more that I think about what you said, the more I think you're right. The three loaches got along well in the 29 gallon, but I had a lot of malaysian driftwood in there - lots of little holes to hide in, and the loaches spent most of their time hidden away. When I moved them to the 60 gallon, which has a lot more open space (only coconut shells to hide in), the 2 underdogs probably had to tolerate a lot more bullying from the big one. Perhaps this stressed them out, and led to the infection or whatever it was that did them in.

Perhaps they only do well in schools if they have a lot of hiding spots. Seems weird - why would they like schools, but pick on each other? In any case, I only have the one loach now, I guess it should stay that way, at least until I have a tank with more places to hide.

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Old 05-14-2010, 04:09 PM   #12
 
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Just curious- who did you talk to at Pet Kingdom? Was it Ron or someone else?
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Old 05-14-2010, 04:24 PM   #13
 
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I have to jump in here and disagree. I have seven yoyos and they are as happy as they could be. Yoyos NEED to be in a group in order to truly thrive, the more the merrier. The "fighting" you see is nothing more than the way they socialize. During this "wrassling" no one ever actually gets hurt, it just looks rough, but for loaches this is par for the course. A solo yoyo is a lonely yoyo. Having just two means one will be dominant and constantly stressing the less dominant one, with three you run the risk of two constantly ganging up on the less dominant one. In a group they will establish a social hierachy and they sort it out amongst themselves quite nicely.

Loaches are a little passion of mine and nearly all loaches require to be in a grouping in order to do their best. Dojo loaches are the exception, (there are a few other species) they are best kept as a solo species. I keep three different species of loaches and five is the smallest number of a grouping of any single species that I keep. Eileen, you'd be fine adding more yoyos! You should add more yoyos!

And I agree! What's up with Aquatic Warehouse using RO water for their freshwater specimens?? You buy from them and you go through a majorly long drip acclimation. You buy from Pet Kingdom and the transition is seamless!
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I *just* posted a response to Eileen, I'm glad to get your opinion on this too. I looked at pictures of your loach tank (beautiful, btw!) but I can't tell if you have a lot of hiding spots. My 60 gallon tank is still pretty sparse (the plants haven't grown much, and I switched from Malaysian driftwood to manzanita, so the loaches lost the swiss-cheese wooden log that they loved hiding in), save for 3 coconut shells. I'm wondering now if my group of loaches suffered for a lack of ways to hide from each other. All the chasing lead to stress? And that made them succumb to infection? I'm just trying to make sense of why they would be sick and dying all of a sudden.

I bought the group of three for the very reasons you mentioned - I know 2 fish will result in the dominant one picking on the lesser one. The remaining loach looks healthy, but he does a lot of swimming in circles the past two days, up and down the height of the tank. I can't tell if he's sick (he looks fine) or maybe he's lonely without others.

Wondering if I should buy more yoyos... I'm kind of torn. They were my favorite fish, but now I'm not sure if they'd be happy in my tank.
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Old 05-14-2010, 04:42 PM   #14
 
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Just curious- who did you talk to at Pet Kingdom? Was it Ron or someone else?
I don't know their names! I feel like such a heel, I chat with these people all the time but never bother to ask their names. However... I think they're in the same boat. Boyfriend and I are always greeted with "hey, how are the rasboras?" or "hey guys, how's the planted tank?" :)

In any case, the guy I spoke to was probably mid-20s, tall with short dark hair. Sometimes I see him in salt water. Does that help?? Haha.

I agree with you about the RO water. Yes, ideally we would all have RO systems in our homes and use that in our aquariums. Buuuuuut... realistically, it's impossible or at least very inconvenient for most people. I live in an apartment, I can't install an RO system. I also don't want to go buy 10 gallons of RO water every week.
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Old 05-14-2010, 05:59 PM   #15
 
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I don't know their names! I feel like such a heel, I chat with these people all the time but never bother to ask their names. However... I think they're in the same boat. Boyfriend and I are always greeted with "hey, how are the rasboras?" or "hey guys, how's the planted tank?" :)

In any case, the guy I spoke to was probably mid-20s, tall with short dark hair. Sometimes I see him in salt water. Does that help?? Haha.

I agree with you about the RO water. Yes, ideally we would all have RO systems in our homes and use that in our aquariums. Buuuuuut... realistically, it's impossible or at least very inconvenient for most people. I live in an apartment, I can't install an RO system. I also don't want to go buy 10 gallons of RO water every week.
I hear you. I don't want to have to install RO in my house either, when what I have is clearly working for me already. Aquatic Warehouse does have really nice plant tanks but don't even get me started on some other things I have seen there when I have visited.

Ron is 50'ish but wears his hair a little "spikey" so he looks like a "cool" 50. If you can, he'd always be the guy I would talk to. Not that everyone in the store isn't good, they are, but Ron is amazing. He's always off on Sun/Mon. and Tuesday mornings he's got his hands full with water changing. I like to visit him on Wednesday.
Ron would advise you to add more yoyos, no doubt. The behavior you're describing of your remaining yoyo sounds like he is stressed. Being lonely for a social loach can be very stressful.

I have huge chunks of Malaysian driftwood in my tank that you can no longer see because the plants have covered it all up. You're right, loaches need plenty of places to hide, not so much from each other but just because it's their natural behavior. Chasing behavior in a healthy group of yoyos can't possibly be stressful. If it was mine would have died years ago, lol. They chase each other all day long, non-stop, in and out of the plants, up and over the driftwood, it's just what they do. I'd be worried if they weren't chasing each other.
They will get in these radical wrestling mactches and the two that are "fighting" will totally gray out, losing color. I remember when I first saw that and I thought, "Oh no, they are losing color, they are dying!!". Totally normal. Two will tussle, they will break it up, then another two will start a tussle, and on and on it goes. I LOVE my yoyos.

My tank is basic San Diego tap water treated with Prime. I know first-hand that our water parameters are fine for yoyos. Maybe we should make a date to meet each other at Pet Kingdom sometime on a Saturday when Ron is there? That might be fun!?
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Old 05-15-2010, 02:09 AM   #16
 
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Sigh... well, so now I'm back to square one. Why did my fish die?

Oh, I know exactly who Ron is, now that you described him! He helped me out when I had a sick powder blue ram. He was very helpful. Well, the ram died, but I'm not holding that against him ;)

A Saturday at Pet Kingdom sounds great (actually, sounds like my normal Saturday). Whatcha doing tomorrow? Maybe I'll go look for some loaches. Haha!
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Old 05-15-2010, 10:39 AM   #17
 
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Sigh... well, so now I'm back to square one. Why did my fish die?

Oh, I know exactly who Ron is, now that you described him! He helped me out when I had a sick powder blue ram. He was very helpful. Well, the ram died, but I'm not holding that against him ;)

A Saturday at Pet Kingdom sounds great (actually, sounds like my normal Saturday). Whatcha doing tomorrow? Maybe I'll go look for some loaches. Haha!
I'm busy today. I'm going surfing and after that it's home to do chores. What about next Saturday??
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:03 AM   #18
 
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I'm busy today. I'm going surfing and after that it's home to do chores. What about next Saturday??
Sounds good to me. Send me a message or something.

Hope it's epic today ;)
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