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At least two sick fish. Please help!
Old 01-05-2013, 08:53 PM   #1
 
At least two sick fish. Please help!

I have something wrong with at least two of my fish. I detailed it below. I attached a pic of the flame tetra, but I do not have one of the emerald cory as he is always in the back. I also attached two pictures of the barnicle seed things. I hope someone can help me as I am at a loss of what to do. Thank you!

1. What is the size of your tank?
20 gal

2. What are your water parameters? State the brand of test kit used.
I tested the levels with the API freshwater master test kit. For the GH and the KH I used the API test strips since I do not have the liquid for those tests. Results:
ph: 6.0 or possibly less. I have been trying to raise it for months now using the PH up drops, but it doesn't seems to work. This is one reason I went from 2 feedings down to one. For the first few months I had the tank, I had no problems keeping the ph at 6.6-6.8, but now I can't seems to get it up.
Ammonia: .25 I checked this yesterday before the gravel vac and water change and it was 0. Maybe I stirred up gunk in the gravel?
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: With the liquid test it is reading somewhere between 0 and 5.0. With the test strip it is reading 80.
GH looks like a color somewhere between 60 and 120.
KH 0

3. Is your aquarium set up freshwater or brackish water?
freshwater

4. How long the aquarium has been set up?
11 months

5. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?
7 neons
3 emerald corys
4 flame tetras
4 black widow tetras
3 snails (2 zebra, 1 tiger)
1 common pond snail, recently desceased (about 2 weeks ago)
I have had most of them 6-8 months. The snails are the most recent purchase, but that was probably 4 months ago.

6. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?
no

7. What temperature is the tank water currently?
74-76 F
8. Are there live plants in the aquarium?
no

9. What filter are you using? State brand, maintenance routine and power capacity.
Aqueon quiet flow 30. Change carbon filter every couple months. Gravel vac about every three weeks. (though in the last few monts, it may have been more erradic).

10. Any other equipment used (aside from heater and filter which are two very important components of the tank)?
no

11. Does your aquarium receive natural sunlight at any given part of the day? What is your lighting schedule (assuming you do not rely on sunlight for our viewing pleasure)?
There may be a little but of nat light, but not much. I turn on the light bulb around noon or 1:00 and turn it off around 10 or 11 pm.

12. When did you perform your last water change and how much water was changed? How often do you change your water? Do you vacuum the substrate?
Yesterday. Before that, I changed it about two weeks ago. I vacuum the gravel and remove about 25% whenever I change water.

13. What foods do you provide your fish? What is the feeding schedule?
TetraMin tropical flakes. Used to be twice a day, but about two weeks ago I changed to once a day. Sometimes I also give them dried blood worms, maybe every 4 days. I also give them wafers every now and then, but not very often.

14. What unusual signs have you observed in your fish?
About tow-three weeks ago, first noticed a white mark on the edge of one of the emerald cory's tail as well as a few white bumps on its side. These seem to still be present, but not noticably increased. Yesterday, I noticed similar white spots on the largest of the flame tetras tail and body. Today there seem to be far more in him. He also has bulging eyes and seems to be gasping. Just recently, he was swimming vertically at the bottom of the tank. He also has a protruding belly, but he has had that for most of the time I have had him. Also, I have these strange things growing on some og the decorations in the tank. They look like little seeds or barnicles.

15. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? If so, what treatments did you use? State your reasons for planning ahead of proper diagnosis.
no treatment currently. Just the water change. I have been afraid to treat because I do not know what it is. I though maybe ick, but I read an article yesterday that said you had to have something new in the take and I haven't had anything new in moths. Plus, all the things I have read about ick say to raise the temp in tank and to treat with salt, but I was concerned that this wouldn't be safe for the type of fish I have. I could not find anything that said whether it was or was not. HELP! I don't want this to spread anymore!
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:18 PM   #2
 
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I have something wrong with at least two of my fish. I detailed it below. I attached a pic of the flame tetra, but I do not have one of the emerald cory as he is always in the back. I also attached two pictures of the barnicle seed things. I hope someone can help me as I am at a loss of what to do. Thank you!

1. What is the size of your tank?
20 gal

2. What are your water parameters? State the brand of test kit used.
I tested the levels with the API freshwater master test kit. For the GH and the KH I used the API test strips since I do not have the liquid for those tests. Results:
ph: 6.0 or possibly less. I have been trying to raise it for months now using the PH up drops, but it doesn't seems to work. This is one reason I went from 2 feedings down to one. For the first few months I had the tank, I had no problems keeping the ph at 6.6-6.8, but now I can't seems to get it up.
Ammonia: .25 I checked this yesterday before the gravel vac and water change and it was 0. Maybe I stirred up gunk in the gravel?
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: With the liquid test it is reading somewhere between 0 and 5.0. With the test strip it is reading 80.
GH looks like a color somewhere between 60 and 120.
KH 0

3. Is your aquarium set up freshwater or brackish water?
freshwater

4. How long the aquarium has been set up?
11 months

5. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?
7 neons
3 emerald corys
4 flame tetras
4 black widow tetras
3 snails (2 zebra, 1 tiger)
1 common pond snail, recently desceased (about 2 weeks ago)
I have had most of them 6-8 months. The snails are the most recent purchase, but that was probably 4 months ago.

6. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?
no

7. What temperature is the tank water currently?
74-76 F
8. Are there live plants in the aquarium?
no

9. What filter are you using? State brand, maintenance routine and power capacity.
Aqueon quiet flow 30. Change carbon filter every couple months. Gravel vac about every three weeks. (though in the last few monts, it may have been more erradic).

10. Any other equipment used (aside from heater and filter which are two very important components of the tank)?
no

11. Does your aquarium receive natural sunlight at any given part of the day? What is your lighting schedule (assuming you do not rely on sunlight for our viewing pleasure)?
There may be a little but of nat light, but not much. I turn on the light bulb around noon or 1:00 and turn it off around 10 or 11 pm.

12. When did you perform your last water change and how much water was changed? How often do you change your water? Do you vacuum the substrate?
Yesterday. Before that, I changed it about two weeks ago. I vacuum the gravel and remove about 25% whenever I change water.

13. What foods do you provide your fish? What is the feeding schedule?
TetraMin tropical flakes. Used to be twice a day, but about two weeks ago I changed to once a day. Sometimes I also give them dried blood worms, maybe every 4 days. I also give them wafers every now and then, but not very often.

14. What unusual signs have you observed in your fish?
About tow-three weeks ago, first noticed a white mark on the edge of one of the emerald cory's tail as well as a few white bumps on its side. These seem to still be present, but not noticably increased. Yesterday, I noticed similar white spots on the largest of the flame tetras tail and body. Today there seem to be far more in him. He also has bulging eyes and seems to be gasping. Just recently, he was swimming vertically at the bottom of the tank. He also has a protruding belly, but he has had that for most of the time I have had him. Also, I have these strange things growing on some og the decorations in the tank. They look like little seeds or barnicles.

15. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? If so, what treatments did you use? State your reasons for planning ahead of proper diagnosis.
no treatment currently. Just the water change. I have been afraid to treat because I do not know what it is. I though maybe ick, but I read an article yesterday that said you had to have something new in the take and I haven't had anything new in moths. Plus, all the things I have read about ick say to raise the temp in tank and to treat with salt, but I was concerned that this wouldn't be safe for the type of fish I have. I could not find anything that said whether it was or was not. HELP! I don't want this to spread anymore!
I'd say it is Ich. Raising temps slowly, as high as fish can tolerate, is one way, with adding salt, but with a cory I wouldn't do that. Go buy Quick Cure and use the dosage for tetras. Ich doesn't come from adding new decorations, but fish are more suceptible with poor water conditions and stress. You should not have any ammonia. Don't throw your filter cartridges out as you may be causing a "mini-cycle" each time you do that. Raise your temp up to 78-80. You should be doing a 50% water change weekly, and stop using ph up. A low ph like you have is fine for the fish you have. Altering ph can be very hard on fish. You want to have 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites and nitrates below 20ppm

Good luck

Gwen
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:24 AM   #3
 
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I'd say it is Ich. Raising temps slowly, as high as fish can tolerate, is one way, with adding salt, but with a cory I wouldn't do that. Go buy Quick Cure and use the dosage for tetras. Ich doesn't come from adding new decorations, but fish are more suceptible with poor water conditions and stress. You should not have any ammonia. Don't throw your filter cartridges out as you may be causing a "mini-cycle" each time you do that. Raise your temp up to 78-80. You should be doing a 50% water change weekly, and stop using ph up. A low ph like you have is fine for the fish you have. Altering ph can be very hard on fish. You want to have 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites and nitrates below 20ppm

Good luck

Gwen

Thanks Gwen. Unfortunately, my flame tetra has died. I am a little concerned about how the emerald cories will tolerate the medication. Do you have any thoughts on that? I went ahead and ordered it on amazon (next day shipping, should be here by tues), but in the meantime, I am raising temp, keeping off lights and doing water change. Should I be doing 50% every day until the ick clears up, or just weekly?
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Old 01-09-2013, 06:43 PM   #4
 
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Thanks Gwen. Unfortunately, my flame tetra has died. I am a little concerned about how the emerald cories will tolerate the medication. Do you have any thoughts on that? I went ahead and ordered it on amazon (next day shipping, should be here by tues), but in the meantime, I am raising temp, keeping off lights and doing water change. Should I be doing 50% every day until the ick clears up, or just weekly?

Just stick with 50% water changes weekly, but as a regular maintaince, nothing to do with Ich. Quick Cure is very safe, I used it with German Rams, and they are very sensitive, so you should be fine. You can't use salt with cories, as they are too sensitive to that.

Keep me posted. Ich is very treatable.

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Old 01-09-2013, 10:05 PM   #5
 
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Just stick with 50% water changes weekly, but as a regular maintaince, nothing to do with Ich. Quick Cure is very safe, I used it with German Rams, and they are very sensitive, so you should be fine. You can't use salt with cories, as they are too sensitive to that.

Keep me posted. Ich is very treatable.

Gwen
So far it seems to be working. Hard to tell for sure since the other fish were not really showing many symtons. It is a mystery to me how we got it since I have put nothing new in the tank for months. Oh well. As long as they get better! By the way, how long should I use the meds? the bottle says three days. Does that sound like enough?

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Old 01-10-2013, 07:22 PM   #6
 
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So far it seems to be working. Hard to tell for sure since the other fish were not really showing many symtons. It is a mystery to me how we got it since I have put nothing new in the tank for months. Oh well. As long as they get better! By the way, how long should I use the meds? the bottle says three days. Does that sound like enough?

Jess
I would treat until you see no more white spots. My bottle does not say anything about 3 days. That seems a bit short. Especially, because you are doing the lower dose for tetras. Stop when the spots disappear, wait a few days and do a 25% water change, vacumning gravel well. The ich parasite is not able to be killed when it is on the host. If the fish seemed stress from the meds than do stop, after 3 days, and start up again after you skip a day, but I think you should be good with the lower dose until you see spots gone.

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Old 01-10-2013, 08:19 PM   #7
 
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I would treat until you see no more white spots. My bottle does not say anything about 3 days. That seems a bit short. Especially, because you are doing the lower dose for tetras. Stop when the spots disappear, wait a few days and do a 25% water change, vacumning gravel well. The ich parasite is not able to be killed when it is on the host. If the fish seemed stress from the meds than do stop, after 3 days, and start up again after you skip a day, but I think you should be good with the lower dose until you see spots gone.

Gwen
I will go a bit longer then. It is hard because the fish that had the most symptons died and the other one that I know had them is always in the back behind all the plants. Plus, I am worried about my snails in the meantime because their temporary home is less than ideal! I will keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best!

Thanks again for all your help.

Jess
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:41 AM   #8
 
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I will go a bit longer then. It is hard because the fish that had the most symptons died and the other one that I know had them is always in the back behind all the plants. Plus, I am worried about my snails in the meantime because their temporary home is less than ideal! I will keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best!

Thanks again for all your help.

Jess
Well, let's hope you are surprised and the spots go away quick. How long did your fish have spots? Ich doesn't typically kill fish that quick.

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Old 01-11-2013, 11:19 AM   #9
 
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The "seed" things on your decor are snail eggs.

Good luck on your fish. Hope they get better.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:28 PM   #10
 
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I would treat until you see no more white spots. My bottle does not say anything about 3 days. That seems a bit short. Especially, because you are doing the lower dose for tetras. Stop when the spots disappear, wait a few days and do a 25% water change, vacumning gravel well. The ich parasite is not able to be killed when it is on the host. If the fish seemed stress from the meds than do stop, after 3 days, and start up again after you skip a day, but I think you should be good with the lower dose until you see spots gone.

Gwen
You do usually continue to treat longer than 3 days. I usually figure about 10 days however you need to do water changes every 3 days as the directions on the bottle indicate (even with using a half dose) and then begin the 3 day treatment over. Also if you have carbon in your filter you need to remove it during the time you are treating with Quick Cure. As Gwen stated above your fish will get Ich because of a lot of reasons they do catch it from other fish but it is very common for them to also get it from stress, bad water (ammonia or nitrites in your water or high nitrates) changes in temperature from bad heater, not matching temperature in water changes etc Ich is very common and IMO the easiest to cure.
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