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Old 02-07-2009, 06:05 PM   #31
 
I just google for medicated fish foods, ther are few and easily avail. Jungle Lab has 2 kinds avail just like Tetra. check it out and maybe lfs may have some. Call lfs to see if in stock.
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Old 02-07-2009, 07:18 PM   #32
 
I've tried medicated foods. They are garbage. The one by Jungle included. levamisole is the best way to treat them. If they have IP.......... I'm not terribly sure that the OP's fish even have IPs. Going just by their poop is not a very acurate way of telling.

Lots of fish carry internal parasites, normally the load is low enough to not be a real concern. One the load gets higher the fish start losing weight. They don't act any different and they usually eat a lot, but continue to get skinnier.

Kim If you can't find the levamisole I can mail you some if you want. that is if you are in the USA......
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:18 PM   #33
 
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I've tried medicated foods. They are garbage. The one by Jungle included. levamisole is the best way to treat them. If they have IP.......... I'm not terribly sure that the OP's fish even have IPs. Going just by their poop is not a very acurate way of telling.

Lots of fish carry internal parasites, normally the load is low enough to not be a real concern. One the load gets higher the fish start losing weight. They don't act any different and they usually eat a lot, but continue to get skinnier.

Kim If you can't find the levamisole I can mail you some if you want. that is if you are in the USA......
Mikalia,
I do know you have good intention but Kim may be Minor. Would be careful before recommending/dispensing med other than prepared form that mom can purchase/obtain from Vet and supervise its use...

The reason Prepared food did not work was probably if fish is infected with other than tapeworm. Jungle Labs med food contain ingredient, Praziquantel, used against tapeworm as Levamisole is found to be effective against roundworm.

Camallanus, round worm, usually associated with Livebearer, Levamisole would be effective and further reading of my books confirmed that it can be absorbed from water. iBut I could not find any Levamisole in prepared form.
Just remembered that I've used piperazine citrate, PIPZINE by AQUATRONICS(dont know still available) with good results (not in the water though). Still requires adult supervision when altering its use.

Kim! Google for Camallanus images to see if you notice same/similar symptoms. Unlike some roundworm/other worm which requires intermediate hosts, Camallanus can spread fro fish to fish w/o intermediate host. SO if can ID & treat, it will benfit all the fish.

You should be certain, even difficult task, before exposing fish to unnecessary medicatios. Such overuse can lead to organisms building resistance to med thus can/will be ineffective when one really needs it.

Hope you can verify some how that it is/is not IP so you can rest your mind!!

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Old 02-08-2009, 02:48 AM   #34
 
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Jungle Labs anti- parasite medicated fish food contains,, Praziquantel,Metronidazole,Levamisole. It comes as small pellets which can be crushed for feeding small fish. As with any medications, ALWAYS follow the directions.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:42 AM   #35
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Lots of fish carry internal parasites, normally the load is low enough to not be a real concern. One the load gets higher the fish start losing weight. They don't act any different and they usually eat a lot, but continue to get skinnier.
That is exactly what happened to the entire tank full of guppies. They just got thinner, and thinner, eventually started to breathe rapidly, and died. The white, stringy poops accompanied this. Only in the end stages did they stop eating. I tried Parasite Clear by Jungle Labs, and although it seemed to work at first (poops would become brown again) within a few days everything would be back to the way it was. I tried it many times, so I don't think it has anything to do with the lifecycle of the parasite. I then tried to feed the medication to the fish using directions that I got off another site. I used bloodworms and a horse dewormer that contains an active ingredient of pyrantal pamoate. The fish appeared to be fine for a while, so I moved the remaining 3 over to my 15 gallon. A few weeks later I started seeing white poops coming off of the cories and the guppies so I'm guessing they were still carrying the parasites. One guppy developed bloat like symptoms accompanied by open ulcers in the abdomen area then died (From my research I'd say that this was the result of extensive internal damage to the abdomen wall which I already knew could occur in humans and other animals as well). I moved all the remaining fish into my QT tank for treatment and better observation, and sanitized and reset up the 15 gallon which is now empty. Since being in the QT tank I tried using Clout which had no effect.

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Old 02-08-2009, 08:46 AM   #36
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Jungle Labs anti- parasite medicated fish food contains,, Praziquantel,Metronidazole,Levamisole. It comes as small pellets which can be crushed for feeding small fish. As with any medications, ALWAYS follow the directions.
Yes, I have seen this food. But, the active ingredients are exactly the same as the Parasite Clear which I already tried using to no effect.

Oh, and what I forgot to mention in my previous post is that I also tried to dissolve some of the Parasite Clear in aquarium water and soak some freeze-dried bloodworms in it for about 1 hr. then feed to the fish in case the medication would be more effective when fed directly to the fish. This did not work either.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:52 AM   #37
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Mikalia,
I do know you have good intention but Kim may be Minor. Would be careful before recommending/dispensing med other than prepared form that mom can purchase/obtain from Vet and supervise its use...

Yes, I do know the risks of using meds not made for fish. The way I reason it though, is that without treatment they will all suffer the same fate as the fish that have already died, so I will do my best to treat them in an informed, careful way regardless of what I need to use.

The reason Prepared food did not work was probably if fish is infected with other than tapeworm. Jungle Labs med food contain ingredient, Praziquantel, used against tapeworm as Levamisole is found to be effective against roundworm.

I have already tried meds with Praziquantel in them to no effect. So, maybe what I could gather from this is that they are infected with roundworms.

Camallanus, round worm, usually associated with Livebearer, Levamisole would be effective and further reading of my books confirmed that it can be absorbed from water. iBut I could not find any Levamisole in prepared form.
Just remembered that I've used piperazine citrate, PIPZINE by AQUATRONICS(dont know still available) with good results (not in the water though). Still requires adult supervision when altering its use.

Kim! Google for Camallanus images to see if you notice same/similar symptoms. Unlike some roundworm/other worm which requires intermediate hosts, Camallanus can spread fro fish to fish w/o intermediate host. SO if can ID & treat, it will benfit all the fish.

I will certainly look this up. Right after responding to this post in fact!

You should be certain, even difficult task, before exposing fish to unnecessary medicatios. Such overuse can lead to organisms building resistance to med thus can/will be ineffective when one really needs it.

Hope you can verify some how that it is/is not IP so you can rest your mind!!
Thank you.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:54 AM   #38
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I just wanted to thank everyone who has taken the time to help me with this. I really appreciate it and I hope that this problem can be resolved soon for the fish's sake as well as my own sanity!
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Old 02-08-2009, 09:03 AM   #39
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All right, so I looked up Camallanus and I don't think that is what my fish have. I have never seen any worms protruding from my fish in all the months that this problem has persisted.
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Old 02-08-2009, 09:36 PM   #40
 
May need magnifying glass for better observation but at least we are getting somewhere.
I'll do what ever I can since Im also curious. Not being able to see is very difficult.
Try google for info & pics on following:
1.Ligula intestinalis or other Ligula species
2. Schistocephalus Sp.
3. Bothriocephalus acheilognathi
4. Internal fluke: Bunodera luciopercae
5. Pomphorhynchus laevis
So far what I can gather from my old books. I am not sure if rest of the fish have contracted internal parasite since most of parasites do requires imtermediate host (water fleas, clams, snail, etc) other than Camallanus from what I could remember/researched so far. If infected Guppy is no longer is in the same tank w/ others, why not just monitor for symptoms on the rest of fish for while.
Although I handled lots of wild fish in my many yrs in hobby, very rarely came down with internal problem. I am not a fish pathologist but have performed necropsy on the many dead fish trying to determine/learn to prevent any further suffering/loss of fish to my best ability (using apparatus from college and microscope from children desk, at least better than naked eyes). If memory serves came across what I believe was camallanus just few times with no success due to lack of info (no internet) and meds when experiencing difficulties.

Once other are in good health and returned to main tank, hope you can enjoy the fish keeping as it was meant to be, relieves stress not the other way around.LOL

BTW, I did not mean to offend you in any way when I said if you are Minor. Just trying to look out for other's safety.

Hope we can close the book on this issue very soon.
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