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Old 06-01-2010, 12:48 AM   #11
 
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I just wanted to clarify something-
1. I'm glad your PH meters were wrong- a PH of 6.6 for a long enough period of time can be harmful to the livebearers.
2. Don't add salt. It's good as a medication, or immune system booster or whatever, but a constant dose of salt will not do anything beneficial, other than make your plants grow more slowly.

Also, did you say you had tetras with guppies? Tetras usually (90% of the time) require a low PH, normally batween 6.2-6.8

I also agree that 1ppm of nitrites is 1ppm too much. You're having some kind of problem with you beneficial bacteria- either something happened (the filter was shut off or something) or your tank never fully cycled...

I dunno if anyone else mentioned this, but I would also vacuum the gravel immediately... Could be some dead fry in the gravel polluting the water.

If you're wanting to breed "show quality" or premium or whatever guppies, that requires at least three tanks, and preferably 4.(1 for males, 1 for females, and one to act as the "honeymoon suite". Probably would want a fry growout tank as well.

I breed guppies (if you can call it that) but I focus on healthy fish, not neccesarily blue mostow, albino, cobra whatever- I buy good guppies, and introduce unrelated genetics regularly, but don't worry about maintaining the color or whatever. I cull them by selling the least colorful or smallest tails, but I don't steer the breeding towards blue etc. That way I keep them just in the same tank, heavily planted, with two mail platys as the hunters. Eh, sounds cruel, but the slowest swimmers get eaten, the healthiest specimens survive.

Oh, and don't worry, we all tend to get a bit hysterical when out babies have a mysterious illness. :)
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Old 06-01-2010, 11:47 AM   #12
 
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I just wanted to clarify something-
1. I'm glad your PH meters were wrong- a PH of 6.6 for a long enough period of time can be harmful to the livebearers.
2. Don't add salt. It's good as a medication, or immune system booster or whatever, but a constant dose of salt will not do anything beneficial, other than make your plants grow more slowly.

Also, did you say you had tetras with guppies? Tetras usually (90% of the time) require a low PH, normally batween 6.2-6.8

I also agree that 1ppm of nitrites is 1ppm too much. You're having some kind of problem with you beneficial bacteria- either something happened (the filter was shut off or something) or your tank never fully cycled...

I dunno if anyone else mentioned this, but I would also vacuum the gravel immediately... Could be some dead fry in the gravel polluting the water.

If you're wanting to breed "show quality" or premium or whatever guppies, that requires at least three tanks, and preferably 4.(1 for males, 1 for females, and one to act as the "honeymoon suite". Probably would want a fry growout tank as well.

I breed guppies (if you can call it that) but I focus on healthy fish, not neccesarily blue mostow, albino, cobra whatever- I buy good guppies, and introduce unrelated genetics regularly, but don't worry about maintaining the color or whatever. I cull them by selling the least colorful or smallest tails, but I don't steer the breeding towards blue etc. That way I keep them just in the same tank, heavily planted, with two mail platys as the hunters. Eh, sounds cruel, but the slowest swimmers get eaten, the healthiest specimens survive.

Oh, and don't worry, we all tend to get a bit hysterical when out babies have a mysterious illness. :)
I love how you put your breeding section. That's exactly what I want to do in the long run - breed for quality as in healthy, not necessarily color. It's going to be a few years at least, I don't have the money for two more decent sized aquariums, nor the time. These pregnant girls were actually a surprise, but since they were pregnant I figured it'd be a good learning experience for me. ^-^

I used the Mardel in tank PH/Ammonia/Thermometer thingie. I'm glad it was wrong too, because I couldn't figure out how to get the PH up safely...I've read everywhere that it's a constant battle with a lot of casualties.

I have Serpae Tetras...is that the same for them? They remind me of Rasboras, only without the fin nipping problem. I had a small hoard of Rasboras that imagined themselves as a wolf pack and fin nipped everything. A total of six fish, hounding everyone...oh boy. Had to rehome them quick!

My ten gallon never fully cycled. I simply got excited and figured three fish wouldn't make too much of a difference. My fifty five gallon is pretty decent, so I just put the females back in the big tank to give the smaller one a chance to fully cycle. I added a ton of Hornwort and Java Ferns to it, so maybe that will help. I also added some Anubias to my fifty five gallon. I'm so glad I chose live plants over fake ones.

I already gravel vacuumed both tanks when I completed the water change yesterday. My tanks look pretty pristine now! ^-^

I do have one question. If all the beneficial bacteria live in the filter media, how often should I change it? The carbon in my powerhead will leak the nasty stuff back into my tank eventually.... I usually just change them every two or three months, or whenever they start to look particularly nasty. This is one of those things that has me rather confused.

Well, I'm off to work. I absolutely love this forum, thank you both for your help!
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Old 06-01-2010, 12:21 PM   #13
 
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Well, with my guppies I only have one tank for them. As long as you're not playing a huge role in the genetics you can make do with just 1 heavily planted tank.

(I only have guppies in one tank, and manage to sell the surplus, although admittedly I'm lucky to get about 10 cents per fish. I breed them more because I like them and want to keep good stock rather than money making anyway.)

As for the filter media, my filter in the guppy tank has never been replaced. Every month to every two months I get one of the medias out (either the carbon or the biofilter, never both at the same time) and wash it out. I completely removed carbon from the little pouch and filled it with filter floss. Activated carbon is overrated, andwhile it does remove elements, metals, medications, etc it removes what the plants require. (with meds being the exception, of course.)

Unless you're treating a specific illness or have no live plants, I wouldn't worry about replacing the charcoal.

I'm not saying it doesn't have it's uses, but most of the time it's more harm than good IMHO.
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