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Old 04-12-2008, 09:51 AM   #11
 
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I didn't realize loaches got that big. Same thing with the pleco. Looks like I'm going to have an issue with him. He has doubled in size in the 2 months he's been in there. I guess I'll just cross that bridge when I come to it.
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:19 AM   #12
 
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Yup- common plecos are problematic in the long run. They also stop munching on algae as they get older. There are some very good alternatives though. Bristle Nose Plecos are the most commonly ones used for algae prevention, as they're great cleaners. They only get to be 4 inches (give or take), which makes them perfect for all but the smallest tank! They may have a face only a mother could love, but I sure do love mine.

As for loaches, again, plenty of other kinds. A group of kuhli loaches would look great in your tank. Just make sure you do your research first on whatever kind catched your eye, as some are rather demanding and/or territorial.
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:08 PM   #13
 
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Thanks for the advice on plecos and loaches.
I bought a nitrate test kit this AM. See image. Looks to me like about 10. That should be fine, right?
Also, no change in the Molly. No better, no worse. Just sits on the bottom of the hospital tank. Occasionally scoots around looking for food and eats a bit and then just goes back to sitting stationary. It's breathing doesn't seem to be as labored, but I might just be imagining that.
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:27 PM   #14
 
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Your nitrates are perfectly in order! As for the Molly, I don't really know what to say, as we can't really come to a positive ID on the problem. Have you tried adding some salt to her water?

Also, is there a reason you don't think it is one of the diseases I suggested? I'm still leaning towards neon tetra, as it fits pretty well. Do you have a photo of the molly?
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:59 PM   #15
 
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sudden weight loss and inappetence (along with the other symptoms you state) leads me to two possibilities

1) systemic bacterial infection, very serious and could lead to the entire tank being wiped out if not treated. you need a very strong broad range antibacterial medication, like pure Acriflavin.
In UK sold by NTLabs and found in the pond department of a good LFS
(dose at 1ml per foot of tank for 5 consecutive days)

2) internal parasites. again quite serious as healthy fish eating the dead fish
can then ingest the parasite. treatment for this would be with (believe it or not) pig wormer, currently under the banner of Flubenol 15.
this can be purchased in the UK from Devon Discus (check if allowed in your country if not UK).
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:35 AM   #16
 
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have you tried adding some salt to her water?
Yes.

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Also, is there a reason you don't think it is one of the diseases I suggested? I'm still leaning towards neon tetra, as it fits pretty well.
Well, from the reading I've done, the symptoms for Neon Tetra disease are/ can be restlessness, fish begins to lose coloration, as cysts develop body may become lumpy, has difficulty swimming, in advanced cases spine may become curved, secondary infections such as fin rot and bloating. The only symptom that really comes close to fitting is difficulty swimming, and even that is not really accurate. She swims fine when she does come off the bottom, she just doesn't do it very much. Otherwise, she is not restless, discolored, lumpy, curved or have any kind of observable fin or tail rot.

The only reference I could find for tb/wasting disease says the symptoms are/can be fin erosion, ulcers/holes, loss of appetite, reddened areas, and listlessness. She has no fin erosion, ulcers or holes. I'm really not sure she has an appetite issue at this point. She looks to me like she spits out most of what she eats, but she still poops several times a day so she must be eating. She has no reddened areas, although I'm not sure how that would actually look on a black fish. I guess listlessness fits, but that's about it.

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Do you have a photo of the molly?
I have made about a dozen attempts to take a pic, but she hangs out at the back of the tank and between that and the medication clouding the water, she winds up just looking like a black blob in the image.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:42 AM   #17
 
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sudden weight loss and inappetence (along with the other symptoms you state) leads me to two possibilities

1) systemic bacterial infection, very serious and could lead to the entire tank being wiped out if not treated. you need a very strong broad range antibacterial medication, like pure Acriflavin.
In UK sold by NTLabs and found in the pond department of a good LFS
(dose at 1ml per foot of tank for 5 consecutive days)

2) internal parasites. again quite serious as healthy fish eating the dead fish
can then ingest the parasite. treatment for this would be with (believe it or not) pig wormer, currently under the banner of Flubenol 15.
this can be purchased in the UK from Devon Discus (check if allowed in your country if not UK).
Wolf,
Thanks for the input.

I am treating he tank now with an anti-parasite medication and it actually contains Acriflavin. See my first post in this thread for the other medications in it. They are tablets that dissolve in the water. The regime is every 48 hours for three doses total. So 6 days in the medication. Did the second dose this morning.
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Old 04-15-2008, 09:34 AM   #18
 
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Well, there is now a visible issue. Her behavior is the same, but she is becoming bloated. The portion of her body immediately forward of her anal fin is almost square, and her scales are sticking out in that area. Based on my limited knowledge, my guesses would be either very pregnant or dropsy.
If she is pregnant, will it hurt her to treat the tank with something like Maracyn II on the chance that it is dropsy?
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Old 04-15-2008, 03:55 PM   #19
 
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If all her scales are sticking out (not just on a lump on her body such as a tumor), then yes, this is the dead giveaway for dropsy (the scales on her tail may or may not be "pineconing". Maracyn II is a good, broad spectrum antibiotic, which is the best you can do for her at this point. I'd go ahead and use it and hopefully she'll respond!
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Old 04-17-2008, 12:55 PM   #20
 
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any updates?
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