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Old 02-10-2014, 04:33 PM   #1
 
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I knew I shouldn't have bought fish from petsmart but I went against my gut feeling and got them anyway since they looked healthy other then being pale and almost markless I assumed from inadequate temps and stress. Got home and put them in my tank. Colored up. Started to look good then I noticed the very tip of the top fins on one had specks and also 2 small specks on tail fin. Bought them friday. Had I noticed the specks right away would have returned the fish and turned up temp and wait for disease to die. But unfortunately after seeing them friday I believed I had received 2 females. So saturday morning I went to a more reputable fish store 40 min drive away looking to pick up a male. They sold me on one of their last electric blue males. Well at least they told me it was a male. I'm not sure on sexing an electric blue ram. But also convinced me to take another beauty of a female and let the male pick his mate. And I would have to get rid of at least 1 female after he made his choice. So I took the 2 home and introduced them in my tank to other rams. On sunday morning I noticed the spots on the the one ram and later on I noticed it was spreading to other female both of which I got from petsmart. So now I'm trying to keep it from spreading and hopefully kill it before it gets a chance to spread. Since yesterday I have begun to slowly increase the temp. Originally had them at 80 degree temp have slowly raised it to 85. How much higher can I go without killing fish?? I have a volcano bubbler and circulation pump pointed towards surface for maximum aeration so no worries there. Last night I also added aquarium salt I had since I saw it said it would help with disease, stress, and help gills. Directions stated 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons of water. I added 4 tablespoons to my 29 gallon since I didn't want to overdose. Unfortunately I didn't or see on the box anything about premixing. I added directly to tank. Thankfully it did no immediate damage to fish don't know about long term. But if I add more I will definitely premix. should I add more salt? No live plants other then some moss balls I can remove before adding salt. Anything else I should do?? Trying to avoid chemicals if possible. Thanks. Will try and post a pic. Maybe not ick??
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:10 PM   #2
 
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:15 PM   #3
 
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I don't think that's ich. Somtimes fins will deteriorate while the fish gets used to your water chemistry, particularly differences in ph. Rams are sensetive, but their color is good. I would keep up water changes and hold off on medicating unless theycontinue to get worse.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:25 PM   #4
 
Ah. That would make sense. Since my ph is slightly higher then what these fish like. My ph is 8.0 but I don’t know how to lower my ph naturally. Out of tap my ph is 8.0 I dont want to use buffers such as ph down because they are temporary and don’t want to cause ph swings. Good thing I used the drip method for about an hr. Only thing I can think of is mixing ro water. But RO unit is too expensive. Any other alternative??
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:40 PM   #5
 
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I agree that it's not ich. Looks like it might be lymphocystosis, which is a viral infection. No cure, nothing you can do but wait for it to go away on its own. Minimizing stress will keep it in check. It's not lethal unless growths form in an area that inhibits it's ability to function, like around the gills or something.

To answer your questions though, you can take the temp up to 90 without any concern of killing the fish. Every new fish I get goes through a 2 week heat treatment at 88-89 and I've yet to find a fish that couldn't handle it.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:47 PM   #6
 
So should I lower the temp back down to 80-81?? And any way to lower my ph??
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:52 PM   #7
 
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I didn't mess with the water chemistry so someone else can address that.

I would continue with the heat treatment (at 86-87) just to make sure there's no ich in your tank...since you've already got the temp up. I would do a water change to remove the salt though. IME it's totally unnecessary when treating with heat.
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:54 PM   #8
 
Also do I need to worry about this spreading to my other 2 rams??
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:14 PM   #9
 
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I agree, don't mess with water chemistry ( ph). Also I would have no fear for my other fish. Just two weeks or so of adjustment time and maybe a little longer for damaged fins to heal.
My ph is 8.2 and most fish I add have to get used to it. Symptoms are frayed fins and lymp. infection. Usualy passes quickly.
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:16 PM   #10
 
Okay. Thank you both for the info and suggestions.
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