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post #1 of 4 Old 01-02-2012, 04:12 PM Thread Starter
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Ich and maybe more, help please

1. Size of tank? - 38 gallon

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia? - 0
b. Nitrite? - 0
c. Nitrate? - I'm colorblind, but around 10
d. pH, KH and GH? ph 7.8
e. Test kit? API Master

3. Temperature? - 77F

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)? - FW

5. How long the aquarium has been set up? - Little over 3 months

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them? - 12 black neons and 6 albino cory cats, 3 otocinclus. Had them since the tank was cycled

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)? -

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants? - A ton of hornwort and crypt wendtii
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom?- Very fine black gravel
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? - Large centerpiece driftwood

9. a. Filtration? Rena xp1
b. Heater? Aqueon pro 150w

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used? 6500k T8 strip for 10 hours a day
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long? None

11. a. Water change schedule? - Every Sunday
b. Volume of water changed? - at least 50 percent
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? tap
d. Water conditioner used? - Prime
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? - Detritus sits on top of gravel, so I don't vaccum, just suck up

12. Foods? - Omega One and the occasional algae wafer
How often are they fed? - Twice a day

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms? - Slight loss of color in Black Neons
b. Appearance of poop? Normal I guess
c. Appearance of gills? Gills look good

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? No
b. What meds were used?

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary.

Just noticed what looks like ich beginning to break out on two black neons. Had 15, lost 3 over the last 24 hours. Fish are starting to lose color and some are getting ich spots. The ones that died were gasping at the surface shortly before they died. There is also, aside from what looks like ich, a few white velvety patches forming on a few black neons.

So far the cories and otos look good, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time. How do I procede? Any help would be appreciated.


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post #2 of 4 Old 01-02-2012, 07:48 PM Thread Starter
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Two more black neons infected. Almost looks like columnaris and ich. Any ideas?
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post #3 of 4 Old 01-03-2012, 12:10 AM
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I might check the temp again to see that it is what you report.
I say this because just the other day, while netting out some Pennywort from planted tank,
I noticed that water felt warmer than I felt it should considering I keep the tank normally at 75 degree's F.
Turns out the temp according to thermometer was near 80 much too warm for the fishes I keep (tetra's,cory's,barbs,pencil fish,shrimp,small plecos).
Not sure how this happened, but it seems to be holding now that adjustment has been made.
Sudden changes in temp can stress the fishes and perhaps weaken immune system to where fishes cannot combat parasites or pathogens that their immune system would normally combat. (believed by many)
I am expieriencing a similar situation as you at the moment with some Neon tetra's that I have had for over two months.Some I have had for nearly two year's.
Everything has been normal with exception of unexplained temp rise and..... Two new Anubia plant's added the other day..
I am wondering about the plant's after reading of other's who have lost whole tanks of fish due to the use of insecticide spray's at facilities where these plant's are grown in large trays,possibly outdoors,or indoors, where insects can and do invade the emmersed plant's and easily cause leaf damage.
We then purchase the plant's and perhaps not rinse them before placing them in the aquarium and residual from sprays may be introduced to the tank in this way.
I did not rinse the two large Anubias on wood like I normally do, and I hope this does not come back to bite me .
I don't normally choose to medicate fishes but rather remove them and hope to curb the spread of disease rather than spend money treating the unknown with 50/50 chance of success but that is just me.
Sorry I can't be of more help, but perhaps I have mentioned something for consideration.
At the moment,,I have lost three tetras out of approx thirty over the last three week's and have the anubia plant's soaking in dechlorinated water with complete water change each day.
I have also been performing three small weekly water changes on the planted tank in an effort to remove/dilute any nasties that might be contributing to the neon's demise.

The most important medication in your fish medicine cabinet is.. Clean water.
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post #4 of 4 Old 01-03-2012, 08:28 AM
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Well, if it's ich, you're going to want a gravel vacuum, because the ich parasites will fall to the gravel once they break out of the fish. I've found that the best way, and just trying to keep everything else as normal as possible. I know you have live plants, but try to cut back on as much lighting as possible, as ich will progress with their life cycle more rapidly in the dark. If, after a while, this isn't working, you could raise your temperature a degree or two.

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