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hemorrhagic septicemia HELP!!!!
Old 02-09-2014, 08:32 PM   #1
 
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hemorrhagic septicemia HELP!!!!

Ok, so I have been working on fixing up a friend's fish tank and I think I have finally figured out what this disease is in the tank...hemorrhagic septicemia so I've done some reading about it and I think I understand the basics, but I really need help! There is already a big tinfoil barb that died, although I'm not sure what he had. The tank is 75 gallons, stocked with 3 tiger barbs, one parrot chiclid, and one Pleco. I have been able to see all the symptoms since I started trying to figure out the problem over a month ago. Everything has gotten worse since then. I saw them before, and they looked stressed, but she says the problem really began when they tried to add a batch of glofish who mysteriously disappeared(probably eaten by the parrot)
But anyway, the tiger barbs are the ones where I'm really seeing the red splotches and lethargic behavior. One even flipped over for a second at the top last week. I'll add a picture.
The water parameters are
Nitrate 20
Ammonia, above0.5, less than 1
Nitrite, 0
I don't know what they were last month when the problem appeared though.
So, my big questions are these:
1 where did it come from????
2. Is it contagious ?
3. Is it treatable at this point, or will I need to eutanize the fish.

Thank you so much!!
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Old 02-10-2014, 08:26 AM   #2
 
so i've been following the other thread "How to tell someone their setup is bad?"

and i'm curious, is there hope for the fish ? (i guess we'll find out, i hope so)

glofish, ... those fish that were genetically engineered for additional looks through DNA manipulation ?
i guess this is a point for saying leave nature alone, you're going to mess up everything.
-but don't mean to distract

more importantly, i am worried for the fish, i am eager to hear they can be treated and will recover
best of luck, i hope some knowledgeable people can help out :)
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Old 02-10-2014, 09:16 AM   #3
 
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The term I learned for what I think you are describing is: 'bacterial hemorrhagic septicemia'. There's a variety of meds out there that are used to deal with it, as well as philosophies of approach. Mine would be to use Tetracycline, as soon as possible. That arrests the infection within a day. The ones most affected will likely die but those that haven't succumbed or aren't too severe, should pull through. The med needs to be in the tank for a couple of days and then you should do water changes to remove the drug, and get things back to normal. It's like an ear infection in that the fish need an antibiotic to stop and kill the colony, and then remove it from your system.
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Old 02-10-2014, 10:58 AM   #4
 
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Thanks for following along Flear! I too hope we can resolve this soon...
Thanks Jimscott for the info! Do you know if tetracycline is a medicine that I can buy in like, the big box type pet stores? Or will I have to order it online...
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:17 AM   #5
 
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I don't know if places like Petsmart, and the like, would have them. I would be reasonably confident the family run businesses, the ones that are run by true hobbyists, would have it. Going by memory, there are two strengths - 250 & 500 mg. I would definitely go with 500 mg, and I would purchase it as soon as you can. I would call around and see who has it. Other meds that deal with bacterial infections are Sulfa, EM, and the dyes. My opinion is that TC is the most effective, even if turns the water amber.... and then dark purple, days later...
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:48 AM   #6
 
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Should we take out the carbon filter inserts while dosing?
After we have dosed for the suggested amount of time and the symptoms have gone away, will it be ok then to start adding more fish back in? What could have caused the disease on the tank in the first place?
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:56 AM   #7
 
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hey
i've always heard to take carbon out while dosing,then put it back in after.
gosh i hope things get sorted.
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:31 PM   #8
 
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Oh, also, what is the difference between the bacterial and viral strains of this? How can you tell the difference?
Will hard water make the medicines ineffective? I read something about it bonding I calcium or something...?
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:49 PM   #9
 
my guess (and with what the fish are going through, it may not be a smart guess.

a massive water change, may soften the water, but would dilute the infection in the water for sure
then medicate and whatever else goes into that process.

but with how the fish are doing, i dono what would cause more stress or not :(
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Old 02-10-2014, 02:40 PM   #10
 
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Tetracycline is a pretty common drug, you should be able to find it in most box stores. Just try to buy just tetracycline, I know that a lot of companies sell mixes of drugs and I'm not entirely convinced that combining drugs is very effective.

The blood poisoning probably happened due to the ammonia in the water.

Do you have a smaller tank to treat the fish? I'm asking because treating a 55 gallon tank could run you a lot of money. Unless they are willing to cover the charges for the medicine.
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