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HELP RED BLOOD PARROT FISH WITH A giant thing on the nose
Old 04-11-2008, 11:40 PM   #21
 
Bob, this is what I was hit with when I had my old 5G. I remember not listening, with hardly any plans on upgrading. But, I guess that doesn't mean I should take it out and feed it in a wrong way to someone.

I do owe you, Wildboitoday, an apology.
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Old 04-11-2008, 11:50 PM   #22
 
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Yeah, sorry, herefishy is right and we do owe you an apology. I'd be really upset if I came to this site looking for help and found nothing. In fact, I probably would have stopped posting a while ago, so I guess that's a testament to your desire to help your fish. I love that this site is so friendly, and I totally allowed myself to stray from that.

I guess the right questions are, what is your filtration? Your long term plans for these fish? I will say that the tank is quite bare, I think you'd find they would benefit a lot from more things to hide behind, etc.

It doesn't look like HITH, as it is a lump, not a hole. I'm sort of leaning towards saying it may be a tumor, although I could be completely off-base, and I'm having trouble getting a good look in those photos. Nodular disease is another option, as is fish pox. It would help to get your description- is it smooth and slick looking? Lumpy? What is the exact color? Perhaps someone else can ID this better, but it's not exactly my expertise, so I need more info.

Also, did you say one of your fish was swimming upside down yesterday? If so, could you describe this? It's all pieces of the puzzle.

The best thing to do is to quarantine the fish until you know what the problem is, just to prevent any possible spread. What sort of medication did you add to the tank? Sometimes medications do more harm than good, if we don't have a positive diagnosis.
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:07 AM   #23
 
But Cody you are such a soft punching bag. So soft and cuddley..... lol

And if you remember correctly someone stepped in to keep you from getting pummeled. Even though you were being hardheaded. Remember?

As far as the fish goes okiemavis, I'd almost bet it is a parasite of some kind and treat with prazipro.
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:10 AM   #24
 
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I have read through all of the posts in this thread, and I have not seen an answer to the original question.

The problem with the original sick fish appears to be hole in the head disease, and the black you described on the other fish is an indication of stress and poor water quality and/or low oxygen content in the water.

The cause of the problem is too many fish in that tank together, even if they are babies. I would strongly suggest moving the sick fish, and also the 2 with the black coloration to a quarantine tank asap. You can use medication to ward off any secondary infection, but keeping the water clean will be the most important thing. I would suggest coating the food with metronidazole and feeding that in the quarantine tank for 10 days. Keep the temp up to 80 - 82 degrees farenheit in both tanks, this will help... but also I would strongly suggest adding air stones to provide more oxygen content in both tanks.

The others here were not trying to offend you, simply trying to help. They recognized the obvious cause of the problem, and addressed that without explaining it completely. There is no reason anyone should need to get upset here.

I noticed your last comment was about not moving any of those fish to another tank, and I have to say that saddens me to hear. IF the sick fish manages to recover, which won't happen in the main tank, if all 8 of those parrots and both of the plecos remain in a 30 gallon tank they will die. Each growth spurt they go through, which is constant when they are young, will serve to deplete the water of oxygen further, and pollute it further with waste. Blood parrots can't handle being crowded, they need space. There isn't enough space in 30 gallons for that kind of fish... 1 blood parrot alone should have at least 75 gallons.

It is sad that someone is willing to sit back and watch their fish die so willingly. That makes me wonder why you purchased them in the first place? If you cared about them you would care about taking care of them properly, which means providing the proper environment for them. If you don't care about them, then you shouldn't have them. This applies to anyone who keeps any kind of pet.

To everyone else who has contributed thus far... can we find a way to be a little less agressive in the future? It is ok to explain a situation to someone, but to get so hostile about it really isn't the thing to do... that is in no way going to help anyone. Think of it like a fish... aggression breeds aggression. This is a peacful aquarium here at ff...
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:43 AM   #25
 
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I see some have posted while I was writing my last one, so I will respond again.

I say it looks like hole in the head disease based on the last photo posted of the sick fish. If you look down into it you will see a clear hole in the center of the swollen tissue. This indicates to me that this fish is suffering from an advanced case of hole in the head, and a possible infection starting around the hole. The metronidazole I suggested will help to take care of the hole in the head disease, and once that is dealt with, then a 2nd medication can be used for the infection. The meds needed for the infection won't mix with the metronidazole. The most common form of metronidazole is Hex Out... Metronidazole will also treat this if it is combined with another type of parasite, but I see no evidence of anything else at this stage.

I think the apologies were nice, and I hope that everyone will remember this thread the next time they feel a bit over zealous about helping someone in the future. I agree with herefishy and everything he said, I just didn't see a need to say it again. Everyone has been there at some point... we were all beginners, no matter how long ago it was.

I wanted to ask how the 120 was faring? Is the flounder still going strong? That would be a much more suitable tank size for these fish to grow them up in.

The upside down fish sounds like a swim bladder problem, and there are many causes of that. In the quarantine tank, add that fish too, and treat the whole tank with epsom salts. If I know how big the qt tank is, I can tell you how much is safe to use.
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:51 AM   #26
 
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I think he said that the fish was swimming right side up today though- that's what threw me, a fish swimming in completely different directions from one day to the next? If you look in the very top of the second photo you can see one guy swimming completely upside down. How are they both doing today wildboi?
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:53 AM   #27
 
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The fact that it's not swimming upside down all the time tells me the problem isn't severe yet, so if treated now, it's possible no permanent damage need be done.

The upside down is a clear indicator of swim bladder problems.
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Old 04-16-2008, 03:50 PM   #28
 
it is ok i accept your apologies


Ok yes the medicine that you told me add is the same one I put in and the lump it getting better now. The black went away on the other fish.

NOW MY FISH IS BACK UPSIDE DOWN AGAIN for the second time I think one of the plecos are attacking it these white things seem to form on the spot the plecos suck on
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Old 04-16-2008, 04:42 PM   #29
 
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Some plecos do like to suck on the side of fish, and it can cause infection. The coats of some fish are tasty to munch on. You could try adding more hiding spots and such, and breaking up the line of sight so that the pleco isn't as tempted, as well as making sure the pleco is well fed, but it sounds like you're going to have to rehome him. I've known some people who've run into this problem (mostly with goldfish as goldies have extra tasty slime coats), and I don't believe any of them have found a solution.

As for the upside down swimming, I don't think it's related to the pleco issue. It's almost definitely a swim bladder problem, which BP's are prone to (I think). I'm not an expert on that, so hopefully someone else can chime in or you'll be able to read the other threads about swim bladder disorder.

I'm glad to hear the medicine is helping the bump!
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Old 04-16-2008, 04:47 PM   #30
 
THANK YOU!

so yeah the pleco is sucking on it sometimes and it causes these White Spots to form and I tried to call petmart and they don't take fish that are longer than 2 weeks and I'm not sure where I can trade in this evil pleco!

I bought one little plant ornament haha which is just to keep the fishes more happy but my father is a thick headed human who won't listen to me when I want to add more things to the tank. I use to have a rock but it started having a lot of algae growing on it.

Also how do you feed plecos??? I thought they just suck the tank for food.

okiemavis i think you thuoght wrong...only one fish is sick the others are fine.

yeah still upside down..it stays at the bottom and it breathes really slowly and now im really out of patience with the pleco i turn back and its sucking the blood parrot im ready to pick it out and scream at him

but my dad will be putting the pleco into a jar later is that a good idea?
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