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Old 04-23-2007, 01:12 PM   #1
 
help please??

Hi, im sorry if im in the wrong place or something but im really worried one of my fish is going to die...

I have a 4litre bowl, no filter, and have added oxygenating tablets, the fish seemed ok, but the water went cloudy so i went and asked about what to do at my pet store, they told me to buy a plant, this filter bag thing and some fish safe so they're well, i changed the plastic plant and put in the real one, added the bag thing and the fish safe, and now two of them are constantly at the surface as if gasping for air, im worried and confused... i've *added* oxygen so why would this happen??

any help much appreciated!!
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Old 04-23-2007, 01:34 PM   #2
 
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your pet store seem to be talking out of there asses
a filter would be the way to go the oxegenating tablets create a residue and are very unreliable a simple box filter and an air punp would be a start some companies build filters specificly for bowls for oxegen surface tubulance created by a pump/filter will help the water absorb oxegen as for plants they will remove nitrates from the water which could be part of the problem
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Old 04-23-2007, 01:54 PM   #3
 
What do you recommend i do then? should i take out the plant?.. do you have any idea where might sell these little filters?.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:17 PM   #4
 
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keep the plant nitrates can be just as lethal as lack of 02
http://www.firsttankguide.net/bowl.php some info here
http://www.fishandfins.co.uk/goldfish.htm products here
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Old 04-23-2007, 08:06 PM   #5
 
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Re: help please??

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Hi, im sorry if im in the wrong place or something but im really worried one of my fish is going to die...

I have a 4litre bowl, no filter, and have added oxygenating tablets, the fish seemed ok, but the water went cloudy so i went and asked about what to do at my pet store, they told me to buy a plant, this filter bag thing and some fish safe so they're well, i changed the plastic plant and put in the real one, added the bag thing and the fish safe, and now two of them are constantly at the surface as if gasping for air, im worried and confused... i've *added* oxygen so why would this happen??

any help much appreciated!!
Welcome.

May I ask what fish you have there?:) I'd recommend upgrading the tank to 15 gallons minimum. 4 liters is just too small to fit any more fish.

Has your tank cycled? If you haven't, this thread is worth reading for awhile.
http://www.fishforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3738

I'd recommend API Freshwater Master test kit in liquid form to start with. Check your ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH regularly. In the end, you will want zero ammonia and nitrites with nitrates not exceeding 40 ppm.

A filtration system is very important. It's best you buy one that will fit your budget but be sure to get one that is good in quality. Doing research on the internet for brands of filters will help you. Internal filters are good options.

Keep the live plants. Daisycutter mentioned to you that they help consume nitrates and it does.

As for the oxygenating tablets, they seem to be more expensive than an investment for airpumps.;)

Keep us updated.:) One more advice: Listen to what the lfs employees say and if in doubt, try doing your research on the internt or simply ask the forum members here.:)

Good luck.:)
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Old 04-23-2007, 09:40 PM   #6
 
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Hi-

I think Blue pretty much said it all. What type of fish and how many are in the tank? I know that a 15 gallon is great, but not everyone has space for it. I think even a 3 gallon is ok, if you have the right fish (small and hardy) for it.

The biggest myth is that a small tank is easier to care for, when in reality the exact opposite is true! A small tank can have changes happen very fast, whereas with a larger tank there is a little more "breathing room" literally!

I also recommend the API liquid test. Test daily, and you can watch the results begin.

Here are 2 links that I swear by when it comes to new tank education and understanding. It mentions a product called BioSpira, which I also swear by for jump-starting the cycling process literally overnight.

http://www.bestfish.com/breakin.html

http://www.bestfish.com/newtank3.html

Best of luck and don't hesitate to ask us for help!
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