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post #41 of 53 Old 03-27-2014, 07:50 AM
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Nan. . . I don't have anything to add to this thread apart from what's been said already, but wanted to say that I'm so sorry for your losses, and terribly sad that you've had to go through this. *hugs*
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post #42 of 53 Old 03-27-2014, 10:39 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you very much chesh *hugs back*
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post #43 of 53 Old 03-27-2014, 10:51 AM
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i think its clear that "ich" that doesnt respond to heat or normal doses of ich medicine is not ich. Maybe ich compounded by another disease like jaysee said. It doesnt take more than 2-3 days of treatment to see noticable improvment with ich...i've treated it many times and the fish start to clear immediately every time. This is somthing else NOT ICH. i dont know what it is and havent been able to research anything that seems to apply. Im guessing dinoflagellates . Early stages of dinoflagellate infection often look like ich, but then the spots usualy grow into patches or plaques. Velvet is a dinoflagellate disease, i dont think that this is velvet, but another mystery dino. The lifecycle of dinoflagellates is longer than ich, heat treatments are not effective against dinoflagellates, and treatment with copper was effective for me. The combination of those three clues leads me to believe that this is a dinoflagellate infection.
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post #44 of 53 Old 03-27-2014, 10:57 AM Thread Starter
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Interesting, I havent herd of that disease before, but im also new to this haha.

Also, I know when reading threads its frustrating to try and imagine what someone is describing, so I will add some pictures of the 2 guppies that had it. Maybe that will help with diagnosis in the future for someone, or clear up that it was just a mean ich problem.
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post #45 of 53 Old 03-27-2014, 11:07 AM Thread Starter
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The blue one if Grover, the red Ragnar.
It is easier to see the ich, or whatever, on grovers gills and tail and well entire body.
On Ragnar you can see it on his gills and a little on the back side of his body.
There were both taken about 2 days before they died, and they were covered even more after these pictures.
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post #46 of 53 Old 03-27-2014, 01:47 PM
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That reminds me of the guppies I had a while back who came in with a mix of ich and velvet. I could be mistaken, but it looks like you have Velvet going on in there. Often it presents itself as a rusty color, but sometimes it's just a nasty white film over the body, sometimes causing nasty damage to the scales to make them look...flaky.

Like I said, I could be wrong, but look into it.



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Where did you get the fish? What your fish have looks a lot like what my fish had but much more severe for you. So sad to see fish die. I researched velet online to see if my fish had it and photos and description did not quite match . Velvet is a dinoflagellate disease, but there are many... species of dinflagellates that are grouped together as " velvet". I think we have an uncommon species so its harder to diagnose. Started treating as ich but then no improvement. Looks like unusual form of velvet.

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Whatever this is it's protozoan .. Those pics seem like what my new angelicus would have been had I let it advance more . For this "super ich" I'd stand by any true anti protozoan meds. I RARELY resort to medications but this thing apparently calls for it.


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That reminds me of the guppies I had a while back who came in with a mix of ich and velvet.
Ive looked at pictures of velvet, but I think the pictures are a little blurry that I took, it wasn't in sheets per say, just dense globs in spots.

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Where did you get the fish? What your fish have looks a lot like what my fish had but much more severe for you. So sad to see fish die. I researched velet online to see if my fish had it and photos and description did not quite match . Velvet is a dinoflagellate disease, but there are many... species of dinflagellates that are grouped together as " velvet". I think we have an uncommon species so its harder to diagnose. Started treating as ich but then no improvement. Looks like unusual form of velvet.
I got my fish at my local Petsmart because there are no other freshwater stores for miles. And thats interesting. But isn't the 'best' way to cure velvet to keep water conditions prime? I could be mistaken for another disease, but I thought that was for velvet.

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Whatever this is its protozoan … Those pics seem like what my new angelicus would have been had I let it advance more . For this "super ich" I'd stand by any true anti protozoan meds. I RARELY resort to medications but this thing apparently calls for it
I agree, its obvious that the typical treatments don't work, but it seems that by the time you find out that it's not regular ich, its too late to get the medication for what it actually is.

Im wondering how common this new protozoan is and where it is coming from, Agent13 where did you buy your angelicus from? And how long before the spots developed?

Another thing I curious about is why 2 of my guppies got it so bad, but my cory and the lat guppy seemed to have regular ich, with in a week of hear/salt, the few spots on those two fell off and since the last guppy died i cant say for sure, but the spots have made no reappearance on the catfish. Anyways, we need some fish expert to come in and diagnose this so everyone can be sure haha.
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post #50 of 53 Old 03-28-2014, 10:58 AM
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I bought from blue grass aquatics. I've bought a lot from there with no problems before .
They were here for a few days maybe before showing signs . Looked like regular ich at first. Interestingly ... Like an idiot I decided to move a piece of driftwood either right before it maybe right after the first spots into another tank of mine . The loaches weren't responding to heat after 4 days and then a couple spots were on my balas in the tank I moved the wood to. I started heat on them and it was effective in the balas . The loaches in QT were getting worse not better though. I think it's something that comes along after ich has weakened the fish. Perhaps a close relative of the typical ich .. Idk


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