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post #31 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 05:50 AM
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I had a case of ich come in on my new neon tetras. Didn't have a QT open and shoulda moved my gourami out, but I didn't so my gourami got it. ><

Anyways, when I noticed that I did a clean and just used the heat method as was recommended to me here and at a few other places and popped it to 89 degrees, which is ridiculous turned it into almost bath water. lol I did 40% changes daily to get out any dead or free-floating ich. Did nothing but make it worse for several days and didn't seem to want clearing up, it just mauled the fish it wasn't previously even on. Only three of my eight neons survived that. So I went to get some meds I hoped would be safe with crayfish...ended up not trusting it fully and moved the crayfish out anyways. Meds are called Sentry Mardel Parashield, used them with three tablespoons of salt in my twenty gallon. o-o I hate using new meds, never know what they'll do. Heat will in fact speed up their life cycle and work...to make them breed and grow faster, as well as die faster, but it wont kill them fast enough without a med to kill them with in there and doesn't seem to stop them from breeding.

So, first day of meds didn't seem to do much, second day they looked a little better but still itchy and bothered, and by day three were down to tolerable nasties. I like it, it seems to somewhat guard them from the nasties while they die off. That or it was pointless and the heat is finally starting to work the way I was told it would...more than a week later.

I suggest finding yourself a good med, keep up with the heat too, and do some good water changes daily to remove the dead or dying, or unsuspecting ich. Go do reviews on the meds you're looking into and get info from people who have actually used the stuff with guppies, see how it goes.



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post #32 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 07:29 AM
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Yes, heat DOES kill the parasites fast enough all on its own, without the use of salt or meds to "help". The elevated temperature breaks the life cycle, preventing them from breeding. It is VERY well documented by the many, many successful treatments. It's a shame that it didn't work out for you, for whatever reason it didn't. But to say that your experience is representative of the whole would not be accurate at all.
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post #33 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 07:48 AM
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With all due respect, sylver ... The heat method is absolutely an effective method ... With the exception of this extreme ich that I believe is compounded with another new protozoan parasite we are discussing on this thread.

I was so stupid as to take a piece of wood from the QT tank before the ich part was really obvious .. Put it in my 75. 3 Bala sharks got ich but didn't get this other thing. They responded very quickly to heating to 88-89f . Last night they looked nearly ich free. NOTHING BUT HEAT. All I've ever done was heat and heat alone and ONLY time it failed was with the angelicus that are on the experimental method - treating something I believe is ich + a mystery parasite .


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post #34 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 11:08 AM
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Loaches are now spot free, so that would indicate that this mystery disease is a protozoan pararisite.

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post #35 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 11:18 AM
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Oh I didn't mean to sound confrontational about it! =( Sorry. I also know it is effective, but it also makes risk if this is a strain that isn't broken by it, or at least not broken by it quick enough. It was just so frustrating! Lost my sweet babies when I turned up the heat. >< Many of them anyways, the rest seem to be ich free now.
I understand this users issue with it not going away. x.x I hate it when things decide to be difficult when your little buddies are ailing. I ended up resorting to salt in a tank I did not want salt in since I had not used it in there for several months because I don't know how to tell if any is left. The tanks ok for that...well, I didn't want to spread the ich for one, and the other is I have fish in those already being QT'd that don't have ich. lol



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post #36 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 11:23 AM Thread Starter
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Well within the day I lost all 3 guppies, 1 before dosing, 2 after. 2 of them were very badly infected with ich so it was almost expected, but the last had maybe one spot on him. Im not sure why he died, other than from the super ich cure, but if that were the case, my cory would be dead too because they are more sensitive to the medication. I dont know if I should continue the treatment because all that is in the tank is a cory and a snail, and the cory has no ich on it.
I dont know, someone tell me what to do :\
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A massive water change of 80-90% will remove most Of the salt in a tank. What's left will be minimal and will slowly be reduced further with normal water changes.

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Well within the day I lost all 3 guppies, 1 before dosing, 2 after. 2 of them were very badly infected with ich so it was almost expected, but the last had maybe one spot on him. Im not sure why he died, other than from the super ich cure, but if that were the case, my cory would be dead too because they are more sensitive to the medication. I dont know if I should continue the treatment because all that is in the tank is a cory and a snail, and the cory has no ich on it.
I dont know, someone tell me what to do :\
While that is generally true, about the corys being more sensitive, that assumes that both fish are in good health to begin with. A cory in otherwise good health will be less "sensitive" than a guppy that has internal failures going on, you know?

there's no right way to go from here. You can continue the treatment or you can abandon it and observe. You definitely don't have normal ich, if it's even all ich to begin with. Agents pleco that was in the same tank as the loaches is now in a quarantine tank, untreated. The fish has not shown spots and is under observation.

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post #38 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 12:00 PM Thread Starter
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Yeah, I guess I didnt think about their original conditions, the cory has had no ich the entire time, just mainly stressed from the salt and water changes. The other guppy had some ich spots, so I guess he was just weaker that the cory, poor guy.
Im thinking I might abandon and observe, with large water changes daily and keep the heat up, Im so sad that I lost all my little babies on 1 day.
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Something else - medicating with elevated heat is a big mistake in my opinion. I know people do it without problems, but that most certainly could have contributed to the fishs deaths. The heat is stressful, salt is stressful, being infected with parasites is stressful, and meds are stressful. I don't like to combine treatments because I think combining stressors like that can prove to be too much for some fish to handle. Could be what had happened here.

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post #40 of 53 Old 03-26-2014, 01:06 PM Thread Starter
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Yeah I was thinking that too. But the temperature they are kept at is the temperature they are always kept at, so I dont think that was a stresser but I was planning on lowering the temp today, but i dont really have the need to now. And the salt was basically gone I think with 3+ over 50% water changes. But what happened happened and I hope people with this same strain have better luck than I did.
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