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Old 03-23-2014, 03:48 PM   #11
 
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Formagreen is another option, it does depend somewhat on what is available to you. Plain water changes, heat & salt is not going to cut it with a bad case.

If you want totally non-medication you need two bare tanks, a heater for each, and an air supply or some other form of surface motion to each. You're switching fish to a new clean tank daily, while the unused tank is cleaned & allowed to dry. The idea behind this is as the parasites drop off they have no chance to mature & continue affecting the fish. This usually takes 4-6 transfers, and is often used with medication sensitive fish, or folks who have tanks but no meds available.
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Old 03-23-2014, 08:48 PM   #12
 
Wouldent this stress the fish out a LOT though?
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:05 PM   #13
 
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The idea behind heat for ich is to speed up the life cycle of the parasite.

That is correct - the heat speeds up the life cycle, but it ALSO breaks the life cycle.




There have been a lot of cases lately of "ich" that may not be ich. In addition to the threads I've seen here on the forum, Agent13s new Angelicus loaches in quarantine have "it". Neither one of us have seen anything like it before. She has started an experimental treatment on them today - we shall see what happens.

I'll see if I can post pics
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:11 PM   #14
 
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It looks like ich, only it's bigger and it is not responding at all to heat. Too, ich is uniform in size and shape and these spots vary.

It's hard to really show with my camera phone. I'll see if I can dig up one of the threads which illustrate it more clearly.

Ick??
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:24 PM   #15
 
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It looks like ich, only it's bigger and it is not responding at all to heat. Too, ich is uniform in size and shape and these spots vary.

It's hard to really show with my camera phone. I'll see if I can dig up one of the threads which illustrate it more clearly.

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That looks kind of similar, but since its on guppies its a little smaller in diameter. What is she trying?

Also, do you think the two tank transfer is going to stress them too much, or just stick to heat/salt?
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:37 PM   #16
 
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She's using some reptile meds.

There was another fish in the tank that was unaffected. She just moved it to another quarantine tank after spending a fair amount of time with the loaches. We shall see what happens.

I would separate them from the other fish if possible, even if it means a little more short term stress. The tank will be cycled I assume so the stress should be minimal.
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Old 03-23-2014, 10:04 PM   #17
 
All the fish have it, so no use separating them.
Reptile meds? Thats interesting, do you have a link to her post, or is it the one you provided above.
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Old 03-23-2014, 10:40 PM   #18
 
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She hasn't posted. It's an antibacterial/anti protozoan med administered by food.
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Old 03-24-2014, 12:25 AM   #19
 
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Wouldent this stress the fish out a LOT though?
Anything you do, meds, tank transfer, water changes, even eating creates stress, especially with a sick fish. You have to decide which is more stressful; the procedure to attempt a cure or the disease itself?

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That is correct - the heat speeds up the life cycle, but it ALSO breaks the life cycle.




There have been a lot of cases lately of "ich" that may not be ich. In addition to the threads I've seen here on the forum, Agent13s new Angelicus loaches in quarantine have "it". Neither one of us have seen anything like it before. She has started an experimental treatment on them today - we shall see what happens.

I'll see if I can post pics
Heat can break the life cycle, I've seen 86F for 10 days, I've also seen people reporting more resistant strains still active at 92F. Quinine sulfate is used for resistant strains, this is after the more common methods & medications haven't shown results.
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Old 03-24-2014, 01:56 PM   #20
 
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i had this mystery disease in one of my tanks. starts like ich, but doesnt respond well to ich treatments, then quickly covers the fish in bright white spots that grow together to form patches. i tried heat but that only accelerated the progression. Iinterestingly, a week before i had a real case of ich that responded well to heat treatment.

the disease seemed to encrust first around the edges of the scales, and around the eyes, and on fins. the fish never lost appetite or had any symptoms that are normally associated with severe ich infestation. Fish was rubbing against rocks, but did not had labored breathing or lethargy. it would be awesome if we could figure this thing out because ive never seen or heard of anything like this in over 30 years of fishkeeping, and photos online and reference materials did not help.

i cured my fish with high doses of coppersafe administered over the course of 2-3 weeks, but also killed my plants. it did not, however, affect my cycle.
I wish you all good luck and im definitely following this thread to see if any of you excellent people can shed some light on this mystery disease
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