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post #1 of 32 Old 12-05-2007, 10:15 AM Thread Starter
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I am diligent with water changes, with water tests, 99% of the time the water tests are normal, but all tests have shown no nitrates... I havent had any issues with my tanks till just recently.

My 20 gal tank, all the fish keep dying one by one...i lost two of my favorite males last night. the neon tetras are doing just fine, though i did lose one about a week ago...but they have been in there for almost a month now. my guppies get this white lining on their lips first. then they start swimming funny. the males get half moon circles on their tails...and by morning their tails are nothing but rays...no fins at all. i try to separate them when i spot this, and put them in teh 10 gal hospital tank, but it doesnt seem to help...it looks like they get ich...and i treat them for it, and most are dead by the next morning.

in my 10 gal female tank...they are acting a little different. they get the white mouths. but then they start swimming wobbily...fins clamped. and before long they die too. My babies are doing just fine...though a lot of them have deformed tails, but they are all from the same mother so im thinking it was her genes.

Also...my goldfish...i keep up their water changes...sometimes daily if i have to due to tests...but they get at the very least three water changes a week as there is no filter on their tank yet. i have never seen goldfish sit on the bottom of the tank. i was told they were cold...so i put a heater in there...and the tank is now at about75 degrees. they are still sitting on the bottom. they do this most of the day. this tank also has no nitrates in it... occasionally the amonia spikes and i do imediate changes then...

PLEASE HELP ME....i dont want to lose any more fish.

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post #2 of 32 Old 12-05-2007, 11:22 AM
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I am diligent with water changes, with water tests, 99% of the time the water tests are normal, but all tests have shown no nitrates... I havent had any issues with my tanks till just recently.

My 20 gal tank, all the fish keep dying one by one...i lost two of my favorite males last night. the neon tetras are doing just fine, though i did lose one about a week ago...but they have been in there for almost a month now. my guppies get this white lining on their lips first. then they start swimming funny. the males get half moon circles on their tails...and by morning their tails are nothing but rays...no fins at all. i try to separate them when i spot this, and put them in teh 10 gal hospital tank, but it doesnt seem to help...it looks like they get ich...and i treat them for it, and most are dead by the next morning.

in my 10 gal female tank...they are acting a little different. they get the white mouths. but then they start swimming wobbily...fins clamped. and before long they die too. My babies are doing just fine...though a lot of them have deformed tails, but they are all from the same mother so im thinking it was her genes.

Also...my goldfish...i keep up their water changes...sometimes daily if i have to due to tests...but they get at the very least three water changes a week as there is no filter on their tank yet. i have never seen goldfish sit on the bottom of the tank. i was told they were cold...so i put a heater in there...and the tank is now at about75 degrees. they are still sitting on the bottom. they do this most of the day. this tank also has no nitrates in it... occasionally the amonia spikes and i do imediate changes then...

PLEASE HELP ME....i dont want to lose any more fish.
Sounds like theres a lot of stuff wrong going on here. First of all, your nitrates shouldn't read zero unless your tanks are not cycled. I'm not sure but it could be a fungal problem, is it possible to get pics?

As for the goldfish, this is the biggest problem I see. How many goldfish and how big is your tank? I should think is it NOT ok to not have a filter on your goldfishes tank. What are your water parameters? Gold fish like cold water. They don't do that well with heaters, although a teacher at my school says he has a pond with koi and goldfish and they don't mind the heat in the summer. But I'm going to say your goldfishes problem is not due to being cold but more likely because there is no filter being run on your tank

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post #3 of 32 Old 12-05-2007, 11:53 AM Thread Starter
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the goldfish are in a 55 gal tank, there are five of them...all fan tails...one four inch size, and the rest are 2 inches or smaller...i change the water and test it for amonia, ph, nitrites and nitrates....every day...occassionally it gets amonia in small amounts in it, and i do a change right away...but other than the no nitrates...this tank reads normal...i dont know why i have never had fish especially goldfish sit on the bottom of the tank...i dont have a camera right now so photos arent possible.

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Ok, well first off all you really do need a filter. With being an animal rescuer ( ) and all, I know funds may be tight but it's for the best interest of the fish, if you see on the Freshwater Emergencies and Diseases page there is a sticky with a list of diseases. You should take a look. On the first page there is a picture of a platy with a white mouth. Check it out and see if thats what your fishes mouth looks like. What kind of water tester are you using? Goldfish/ any fish will sit on the bottom when they are sick or water conditions are bad. Do they eat? Are their fins clamped? Sorry about all the questions. Do you have a filter on your 20 gallon? If so does this tanks nitrates read zero also? zero nitrates means your tank is not cycled. Mind you if you don't have a filter in the 55 I'm not sure how that would effect the nitrate levels. How long has it been running for?

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post #5 of 32 Old 12-05-2007, 01:44 PM Thread Starter
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i think it looks like the mouth fungus. for the guppies...i thought it was ich...explains why the ich treatment didnt work for them in the hospital tank.

The calico fantail looks like it has bubbles but they are white...all over it...kinda like it went through the bubble fountain and it still has air on it...but its not...

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i think it looks like the mouth fungus. for the guppies...i thought it was ich...explains why the ich treatment didnt work for them in the hospital tank.

The calico fantail looks like it has bubbles but they are white...all over it...kinda like it went through the bubble fountain and it still has air on it...but its not...
Ich is little white dots all over. It's not patchy. Do you make sure the water you add after you do a water change is the same temperature? Do you de chlorinate it?

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post #7 of 32 Old 12-05-2007, 02:49 PM Thread Starter
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ok so the goldfish have ich then? the water comes directly from the fauctet...and i treat it with amquel plus. and i try to get it as similar in temp as i possibly can.

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ok so the goldfish have ich then? the water comes directly from the fauctet...and i treat it with amquel plus. and i try to get it as similar in temp as i possibly can.
Ah no! Ok, I'm pretty sure the goldfish do not have ich, You said the bubbles on them are clear? Ok so I'm confused now. Sorry. You say your goldfish is covered in bubbles? Do the bubbles look like anything or more like blisters on the fish?


This is what ich looks like.

I'm not sure because it's hard to tell without a photo. But your goldfish MIGHT have gas bubble disease

"Gas Bubble Disease is caused by a sudden dramatic change in gas pressure in the aquarium. This can happen by changing too much water at one time or by adding cold water to the fish tank. Gas bubbles form in the fins and skin of the fish. The bubbles look like blisters and are very easy to see. The skin will crackle if you run your finger across it. If not treated in time, gas bubbles in the bloodstream will kill the fish. The treatment is to add alot of aeration to the aquarium. Lights should be left off to minimize stress. If you see alot of bubbles that have already popped, consider adding a general antibiotic to guard against secondary infection"

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post #9 of 32 Old 12-05-2007, 03:52 PM Thread Starter
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so i caught him and looked at it closer...it is white...and covered with a slimy cloudy film...so im assuming this is ich? all five have blood streaked tail fins now...and none are moving very fast...i dont know what to do!

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post #10 of 32 Old 12-05-2007, 03:55 PM Thread Starter
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oh and just the big calico has the spots/bubbles...the other four just look like they are covered with a cloudy film

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