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Old 06-19-2007, 06:18 PM   #1
 
fish ich

all my fish are scrapping them selfs acroos the bottem every now and then. all the water reading are between the recommend readings. i havent added any new fish recently(last fish added was about 2 mounths ago), the tank has been running for 2 years
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Old 06-19-2007, 06:53 PM   #2
 
Sounds like you're in need of Malachite Green. Ich is a parasite that burrows into the skin of the fish producing the "pimples" that make the fish itch so much. Remember, however, it's pointless to treat the fish while the parasites are still in the skin since they are immune to anything that you add to your water. You'll have to wait until you see their cocoons at the bottom of the tank when they are reproducing. This is when they are most susceptible to treatment. Hope they get better.
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Old 06-19-2007, 09:35 PM   #3
 
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Do they have any white spots on them? It's possible they are just flashing.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:14 AM   #4
 
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flashing is often a symptom of ich whether they have shown white spots or not yet. Check for white spots though, they will look like little grains of salt. If you don't notice any or if you only see a few, their are a few preventative methods you could take before just throwing medication in. What temperature do you keep the tank at? Do you use salt? I've had cases of ich before and I treated it solely with raised temperature and salt/salt baths. At higher temperatures, the ich lifecycle speeds up. Since you can only kill the parasite during its free swimming stage, speeding up the life cycle also speeds up the ammount of time you have to treat the tank. Adding salt to the tank helps the fish osmoregulate its cells to conserve energy but it also messes up the parasites own fluid regulation. Salt baths can actually kill any parasites imbedded in the fish, even when protected by a cyst. At very high temperatures (86-90F) the parasite can actually stop reproducing and even die off. If you do this though you need to watch the fish's behavior to make sure it is handling the temperature, do frequent water changes of 25% to make sure you remove parasites and keep water quality clean, and also add aeration because warmer water will hold less oxygen and the fish metabolism will increase so they need more oxygen. I had an oscar that I purchased already showing signs of ich (moderate ammount of white dots). Before entering him into the tank he got a saltbath. I put salt in the tank and raised the temp to about 87F. Within about 2 days his body healed and no other fish became infected. I dont think i've ever medicated my own tanks actually. ANyways, I just wrote a lot but people should know that if you catch ich early enough, you can usually treat it before adding medications that could stress the fish more. So I would try those two things first maybe a small temp rise (82F) at first and a normal dosage of aquarium salt to begin with. Also use StressCoat to help the fish produce slime coating and protect itself.
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:03 PM   #5
 
Please refer to
http://www.fishforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=68090#68090

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Old 06-20-2007, 12:30 PM   #6
 
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that seems like a pretty good schedule to go by jones. Thats not very much salt to put in the tank though for ich treatment. Overall you are only putting in 1 tablespoon per 8 gallons of water once you have all the salt in. Normal dosage of salt is about 1 tablespoon per 5 gallons and I would even use a little more for ich treatment. This is if you don't already use salt on a regular basis though which I dont ever suggest anyways. Ich will stop reproducing more like 86F so I would go a little higher on the temp given that the fish can handle it. NOt saying that your way wouldnt work, just that more extremes could be taken without harm to the fish.
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Old 06-20-2007, 03:07 PM   #7
 
MH:

What you are saying is correct and is published in the literature.

As I indicated my protocol has worked (so far anyway) and does not seem to have adversely affected any very, very sensitive fish.

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Old 07-06-2007, 12:23 AM   #8
 
Ich can be treated by chemicals. Make sure you read the label on the bottle though. Some fish get killed by it. Tetras mostly.
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Old 07-06-2007, 01:22 AM   #9
 
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Ich can be treated by chemicals. Make sure you read the label on the bottle though. Some fish get killed by it. Tetras mostly.
Tetras can do fine with ich medication, instructions just need to be followed well. What we were saying earlier though is that there is a lot you can do in addition to or instead of medication. Though medication can heal a fish, it can also add stress to the fishe's body. Carbon also needs to be removed from the filter and ich medication can drastically kill off beneficial bacteria...so a lot of filtration is lost during and after the treatments. This is why it is so important to observe fish often and check for signs of disease. If ich is caught early it is very simple to treat but if it is allowed to spread quite a bit then unfortunately medication may be required.
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Old 07-06-2007, 01:23 AM   #10
 
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Ich can be treated by chemicals. Make sure you read the label on the bottle though. Some fish get killed by it. Tetras mostly.
Depends on the dosage given and the chemicals used.
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