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Female Danio swimming funnily after suspected worm infestation. Help!

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Female Danio swimming funnily after suspected worm infestation. Help!
Old 11-16-2011, 05:18 PM   #11
 
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Satu, that's great news, I'm so happy to hear she is improving. If she recovers completely with this treatment then I am going to suggest you also feed the medicated food once/day to the other fish in the main tank, as a precaution and to avoid reinfecting this fish when she returns to the main tank. If the other fish are not infected this won't hurt them, so no worries there.
Keep her in the quarantine tank alone for at least a week beyond full recovery, to give her a chance to gain full strength before mixing back in with the others and to make sure the problem is fully resolved in the main tank first. The other fish can use the same 10 day feeding treatment you are doing with her now.

Keep me posted and let me know how things proceed. I'm very happy for you.
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:41 PM   #12
 
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Good luck with your little girl! Definitely keep us posted.. I hope she recovers fully!
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:45 PM   #13
 
Dawn, thank you for your message. And thank you everyone else for the positive, nice messages. I am absolutely thrilled that she seems to be making it.

Lorna (patient) seems better again. No huge difference today but definately better. Her turning moves have again got easier for her to do. She also moves her tail again. Hence the very close to normal looking swimming. She goes really fast when she gets in that mood. Something I forgot to mention yesterday, I got her to eat flakes last night and tonight so she's back to normal food. However, I will give the medication with the worms.

Dawn, the one week you're suggesting to keep the fish in her hospital after full recovery. Does that start from like the day she seems totally normal or the day the medication finishes? Also can I feed the other fish with Jungle's Anti-Parasite Medicated Fish Food with 1% Metronidazole, 0.5% Praziquantel and 0.4% Levamisole in it? I prefer that if possible as metronidazole is only on prescription and I had a problem getting this one.

I will take a video of Lorna within a day or two and show how well she is. I'm very proud of her. She's a strong and brave girl. (Ok, it sounds a bit funny, but fish are animals just like any other animals no matter how small they are.)

Satu

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Old 11-18-2011, 02:55 PM   #14
 
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Satu,
I'm happy to hear of the continued improvement. While I understand the difficulty in attaining meds in your location, I don't feel the medicated food you mentioned would be beneficial for the problem you are dealing with. The reason for this is not enough of the proper medication and too much of unnecessary medications in its ingredient list. I would suggest consulting with a vet in your area and find out if you can get a prescription for more of the metronidazole to treat the other fish.
The week in quarantine for recovery should begin after she shows you signs of perfect health and should not be limited to starting on the date medicating ends.
IF at the end of the suggested treatment length you see she is still not showing signs of being completely healthy, then you will need to extend the treatment time for another 3 - 4 days. This is to ensure that the problem has been conquered and is completely gone when you stop treatment, otherwise there is a risk of relapse and starting over again from the beginning. To not medicate for a long enough period of time also leaves the risk that the protozoan you are battling can build up a resistance to the medication, leaving a new course of treatment ineffective with very limited options for a different medication to use.

Please keep me updated on her progress and feel free to ask if there are any questions or you need further clarification on the treatment plan.
Best of luck to you!
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Old 11-18-2011, 03:02 PM   #15
 
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I also forgot to mention, if a vet in your area wishes to consult with me before being willing to offer you a prescription for the metronidazole this is something we can try to arrange. I am more than happy to do that for you and the vet too. There is also a vet not far from me that I can also try to put your local vet in contact with if he/she wishes to consult another licensed vet. The one I am thinking of is a licensed AQUATIC vet that my husband and I both know, and I am more than happy to stay within the loop to help with the situation if that is needed. I can't see this one being unwilling to consult with another vet just to help approve of a needed medication/prescription for you. Let me know if this becomes an option or is something your vet needs to help you.
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Old 11-19-2011, 04:25 AM   #16
 
Thank you Dawn,

I probably have just enough of Metronidazole for all the treatment this time, but will need to get more for storage in case I need it. It sounds that you really care about fish and you're so amazingly helpful even offering to help get a prescription. Unfortunately I have before contacted 5 or 6 vets in the town here and even called a special animals vet far away, but no one wants to treat fish at all. I acquired the Metronidazole via my mum from a normal doctor. So the prescription was made for my mum, but the doctor knows my mum and knew it was for fish. I now know this doctor better myself so I'm planning to ask her myself for a second prescription. Thank you so much for offering to help with that!

It's now the 5th day of medicating and Lorna's pretty much back to normal now so I'm pretty sure that 10 days will be enough. I started the medication today on all other fish as well. The only question I have there is that we have two dwarf otocincluses (girl and boy) and I'm not sure how to get the medicine for them as well. I put a slice of cucumber or zucchini every day for them to crunch on. They don't eat pellets and other stuff often, except algae. Should I put medicine in a bowl with water and put the slice of vegetable there for a while? They only come to eat some of the time. They used to come to eat pellets as well, but I think they've come to the conclusion that there's always food available in the tank so they don't worry about it anymore.

I have also uploaded a new video on youtube showing how well Lorna is doing.

Thank you again for being incredible!
Satu & Lorna
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Old 11-19-2011, 05:12 AM   #17
 
Here's the video to show Lorna's cool swim moves.

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Old 11-20-2011, 12:21 AM   #18
 
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Satu, thank you for posting this last video. I believe you are right, the 10 days looks like it should be enough, she really looks good.

I am not overly worried about the meds getting into the ottos. IF they show symptoms at some point then I would suggest moving them to quarantine by themselves and treating the water. Ottos are not as easy to feed meds to, but I would advise against trying to medicate vegetables for them on a dish in the tank. Going that route you are likely only going to waste precious meds that won't get into them anyways. Once in the water the medication will break down too quickly to wait for them to come around to eat. My primary concern was for the other danios, fish of the same species, which is where this is going to be most highly communicable and where it could be passed back and forth between Lorna and the other danios.
If you should notice something changes with the ottos let me know and we will discuss it as a separate issue and work forward that way, but I am not expecting that.

You are right, I do truly care about the fish/animals. The fish are my life, this is what I do for a living. I started this career about 20+ yrs ago and can't imagine my life without it. Its not always the easiest or most pleasant job in the world, but it has its moments like this, where I get to see first hand the difference I can make where an innocent animal would otherwise have died... and that's all the reward I need to keep me going. I would imagine a people dr goes through the same kinds of ups and downs I do on a regular basis. Ask any dr how they do it and they will give you a similar answer... even though we can't save them all, its the ones we can save that in turn save us. Personally, I just can't imagine doing anything else with my life, nothing would compare.

I am glad to hear that your mother has a dr who is sympathetic to your situation and is willing to help you with the meds. It's really sad that so many vets simply refuse rather than investing themselves in saving lives when they are able. I guess that makes me glad I live where I do... resources such as this are much more available here. The down side is that too many people in the states abuse the medications we do have freely available for our fish. Too few ask for appropriate help by someone who's trained and educated to do so, and in turn many end up killing more fish than helping them in the end. Every coin has its flip side.

There are many times when I wish that fish meds were not so easy to obtain by the general public because the manufacturers don't offer the kind of instructions and help that people need before using this stuff. It is not yet common knowledge that all meds are not safe for all fish. There are specific meds that treat specific problems in specific species... and to not know this information means taking some huge risks by simply guessing. It has taken me many yrs of training, education, and experience to know the things I do, and that's not to mention the endless hours of studying and research that are continual to keep up with new forms of illness/disease, new medications on the market, etc. A lot of people don't understand what goes into a job such as mine, nor do they understand why I am so devoted to it. All I have to do is look at your video clips of your fish to know why... or to go gaze into one of my many tanks here at home. Its all about the animals who don't have a voice of their own that people understand or are willing to listen to in most cases, and about innocent lives that have just as much right to life as any other. When I see a fish I don't see an unintelligent creature that is disposable. I see beauty, intelligence, and feelings just like I do with my dog, my bird, and even people. To give up on that would mean giving up on all life, and I just don't know how to do that.

Keep me posted and let me know if there's anything else I can do to help you.
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:24 AM   #19
 
Dawn, thank you for your reply.

Thank you also clarifying about the meds and ottos.

It was lovely and very interesting to read about your work and thoughts about fish. I agree with all of that! To me my fish are family members and I find out information that I need to look after them. I have bought some books to study more about fish and their health and illnesses. I had to order them from the US. I try to offer my fish the best I possibly can. In any case, I love the thoughts you have there. You sound so beautiful.

Anyway, here are Lorna's updates. She hasn't changed towards anything different, not so that I could see, for a few days. She still has some funny moves when she turns to the left, but it's still controlled. I wonder if this is permanent damage to the nerves on the left side. She also sometimes does a little bit of chewing, but the breathing has got normal. If you have some thoughts about that, I'd appreciate. Other than that I think the care is getting towards the end soon and I'm considering to move her back in the main tank on Saturday or Sunday. She will still get medicated food a couple of extra days there with the others.

Thank you again.
Satu
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Old 11-23-2011, 05:36 AM   #20
 
Oh, one more thing. Is there something else that can be used instead of Kanamycin for the same purposes. The human doctor I mentioned has promised to prescribe metronidazole for future use, but kanamycin is not sold in Finland even on prescription. She would otherwise prescribe it so if there's something else I can ask for instead, that would be great.

Thank you.
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