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Old 03-11-2012, 11:35 PM   #11
 
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Hi, hope it's okay for me to pop in. Just wanted to suggest you check your water softening system. Some of the new ones are different. For example, last year we put in a Culligan water softener. It does not add salt to our water. There are 2 tanks. One tank contains thousands of little beads that attract the minerals in the water, and those mineral salts adhere to the media. The second tank contains a salty, brine solution that flushes the minerals off the beads periodically during a "backwash cycle". That brine water goes out the drain, but NOT back into the water supply. I don't know if it's because my softener is so new, or if it's specific to the Culligan brand, or if it's because we had to buy a big one because our house has 5 bathrooms.

I don't know anything about salinity tests, but if the test results show high salt levels and you can taste the salt, then your system is probably not the same as mine.

Sorry about your fish. What an awful event!
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Old 03-12-2012, 12:07 AM   #12
 
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Is it salt (sodium chloride, NaCl) or sodium (Na) that's unhealthy for fish?

I found this on the FAQ section of the Culligan Water Softeners site (eCulligan Online - Frequently Asked Questions)

Does A Water Softener Add Salt To The Water?
This a common concern because people see large amounts of salt being poured into their softener and often times have the misconception that all that salt ends up in their water. The salt that you add to you softener is only used during the regeneration process and is rinsed away before the unit goes back online. With that said a water softener does add a very small amount of sodium to the water as it filters the water through its ion-exchange process. In this process the Calcium and Magnesium ions that the softener is collecting are "exchanged" for sodium ions. This means that exactly how much sodium is added to the water depends on how hard your water is. To figure out how much sodium your water softener will add you multiply your water hardness in GPG (Grains Per Gallon) by 7.866. This will give you the milligrams/liter of sodium added to the water. A typical serving size of water is 8oz so if you want to know how much sodium per "serving" divide that number by 4 to get mg of sodium per serving.

It is important to note that this is the amount of sodium that is added to your water not the total amount of sodium. To get the total sodium content in your water you will have to add in the amount of sodium in the raw water.

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Old 03-12-2012, 01:30 AM   #13
 
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Awww I am sorry you lost your last cat. Hopefully this will get resolved with others input as well I what I have said. Hopefully they do!!!
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:00 AM   #14
 
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Hi, hope it's okay for me to pop in. Just wanted to suggest you check your water softening system. Some of the new ones are different. For example, last year we put in a Culligan water softener. It does not add salt to our water. There are 2 tanks. One tank contains thousands of little beads that attract the minerals in the water, and those mineral salts adhere to the media. The second tank contains a salty, brine solution that flushes the minerals off the beads periodically during a "backwash cycle". That brine water goes out the drain, but NOT back into the water supply. I don't know if it's because my softener is so new, or if it's specific to the Culligan brand, or if it's because we had to buy a big one because our house has 5 bathrooms.

I don't know anything about salinity tests, but if the test results show high salt levels and you can taste the salt, then your system is probably not the same as mine.

Sorry about your fish. What an awful event!
Yes, my kinetico system is as you described it. I have 2 tanks and nothing holds softened water, it's an "on demand" system. It's been a few months since I researched it before purchasing the home.

I have considered buying water but for a 29 gallon tank, it is a bit impractical and even costly. If I was going that route, then biting the bullet and getting a kitchen RO system would just be the best way to go.

Thanks for the input everyone, I'm going to check the water softener system to make sure it's not backed up and allowing brine into the system and go from there.
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Yes, my kinetico system is as you described it. I have 2 tanks and nothing holds softened water, it's an "on demand" system. It's been a few months since I researched it before purchasing the home.

I have considered buying water but for a 29 gallon tank, it is a bit impractical and even costly. If I was going that route, then biting the bullet and getting a kitchen RO system would just be the best way to go.

Thanks for the input everyone, I'm going to check the water softener system to make sure it's not backed up and allowing brine into the system and go from there.

What about those big huge bottles of water that they put on top of water coolers. I have one at my house and the place that I get them refilled at is not expensive at all. You get 5 then get 5 free. Oh but then again I live in the desert so not sure if they would have one of those around you or not. One and a half filled my 30G tank and then I made my water brakish for my fish b/c my mollies and platies seem to love it a lot more in brakish water.

I think you can buy those big jugs at Sam's Club or Wal Mart and then have them refilled. When I lived in Ohio that is what my husband and I did. We bought them at Sams but there was no refill place like there is here so that is why I am not sure if they would have those where you live. Good luck with everything. I have 50 fry to go and feed my molly dropped last night. She has never had this many before.

I hope things work out and you can get the fish you want in your tank again. You could always ask at the pet store as well. My fish guy is very helpful when it comes to things like this so you might want to try that since they live in your area and are more familiar with everything. You could find out what they use at the store or usually they will have tanks at home so you can find out what they use there too.
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:21 AM   #16
 
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You could always ask at the pet store as well. My fish guy is very helpful when it comes to things like this so you might want to try that since they live in your area and are more familiar with everything. You could find out what they use at the store or usually they will have tanks at home so you can find out what they use there too.
Actually, quite some time ago, I asked them at the fish store when I picked up my 2nd angel. The fish guy just recommended using tap water if we could not use RO. He said that messing with chemicals in the end just makes it worse and could be disastrous. Even though it may not be ideal, the fish that are strong enough will adapt.

I will just slowly switch them back to tap on bypass and try to restock my tank. My angels laid eggs again late last week.. however they always seem to disappear at night and a pleco with a plump belly (I'm not into breeding angels but I let them do their "thing").
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