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Old 01-29-2008, 07:19 PM   #11
 
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I'm glad to hear he isn't getting any worse. Could I ask your water parameters? It just sounded like your QT was new and I was wondering if it has to go through a cycle. I wouldn't want all your hard work to be for nothing if he died of ammonia burn or something. Obviously it's always best to keep your parameters absolutely pristine for an ailing fish. I wish you all the best.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:06 AM   #12
 
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Okie, there won't be any ammonia buildup with the daily 100% changes of medicated water. That is the whole purpose of the 100% changes. Even 50% is sufficient for maintaining 1 fish in anything over 1/2 gallon of water. These frequent changes always keep the meds at peak dosage, which is most beneficial to the fish.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:36 AM   #13
 
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Hehe, sorry, I missed the 100% water change bit. Of course you're right bettababy :D I'm learning!
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Old 02-07-2008, 02:42 PM   #14
 
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I tried to save him, but unfortunately he succumbed to the fin rot early monday morning. It seems that suddenly the rot accelerated and he stopped eating, so I knew it was a matter of time. :(
In hindsight, knowing that fin rot is bacteria based, should I not have added something like TC in combination with the Fungus Eliminator? I feel like I was missing the critical antibiotic part of the treatment...
I'm quite upset and am trying to convince myself that I didn't miss anything.

In a while I will think about buying a new betta. He will be in a QT for a while before I add him to my community tank (with fingers crossed he gets along with glowlights like Fibi did) Is there something I can use as a medication to treat new fish? Now I feel that nothing works on bettas, and don't want to introduce a sick one to the tank.
Suggestions for how long to quarantine? What to use?
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:22 PM   #15
 
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I make it standard procedure with any new betta to use that fungus eliminator and methylene blue treatment for the first 7 - 10 days I have them. The fungus eliminator is designed to treat the base bacterial infection that usually causes fin rot, the methylene blue is used to treat the fungus itself. There are not many effective medications that are safe with bettas, but this treatment seems to be an overall cure all with them for anything bacterial, fungal, or just weak immune system or keeping them safe during times of stress.
Those are the 2 meds I suggest every betta keeper have on their shelf!

The other suggestion I have for you is to please consider keeping any new betta by itself and not in a community tank. Fin rot can start from fin injuries caused by nipping, and the stress of dealing with other fish in the tank is enough to make them vulnerable to it also. Keeping a betta in a community tank brings a lot of risk for the betta, and the majority of them will never be healthy or happy unless kept alone.
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:05 PM   #16
 
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Ok, I'll use that for the QT treatment too. That Meth Blue sure is nasty stuff though. Is it really necessary if there is no obvious fungus? Would the FE be good enough on its own? Does TC mix with FE or do you really not recommend it at all?
Wrt the community tank and the betta, Fibi was the only inhabitant in the tank (with 3 amano shrimp) and the glowlights were added later, very cautiously. They did not care about the betta, nor did the betta care about them. It was good for all. I do realise that bettas are all different, so I'm hoping the next one will be as easy going. If not, I'll just have to buy another tank ! :D
Thanks again.
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Old 02-07-2008, 04:20 PM   #17
 
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I don't know much about meth blue, but I've used TC and I wouldn't use it as a preventative. It's pretty heavy stuff, and kind of overkill. I do know that Pimafix and Melafix are a good treatment for new fish. Pimafix is an antifungal and Melafix is an antibacterial, they're both made of herbal extracts, and won't discolor the water or anything. Bettas are very sensative, so you shouldn't give a full dose of Melafix- only give him 10 drops per gallon. As for Pimafix, I don't know the dosing for Bettas, but I would probably dose it the same as Melafix, just to be safe. Also, you may see "Bettafix" at the LFS, it's the same as Melafix, only already diluted for Bettas, so you can dose that as directed.
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Old 02-07-2008, 05:43 PM   #18
 
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I would not mix TC with FE, and I agree with TC being overkill here. That's a very potent med and bettas don't handle it well... same as with PimaFix.. bettas don't usually respond to it very well. Melafix and bettas is a joke. I have yet to see Melafix do anything to help a sickly betta. My boss used to swear by it, but I finally got tired of watching a lot of innocent fish die while the boss was waiting for the melafix to do something effective. Melafix and PimaFix are great meds, but when treating a betta they just aren't going to do any good. The same applies with Maracyn and Maroxy. Many of the strains of bacteria and fungus that are common in bettas are immune to these medications, meanwhile the fish gets sicker. By the time someone realizes that the meds aren't going to work it is often too late for the fish. I spent many yrs studying meds and bettas, and it took many yrs to find a good medication combination that was useful and safe for the fish. The methylene blue and fungus eliminator are the equivelant to a med that was sold on the market yrs ago that worked just as well (Nitrofura G). When the company went out of business I had to find the equivelant to save the fish that continued to come in sick... the closest we could come up with was the treatment I've described here and in numerous other thread in the past... and the same treatment I use here at home and suggest to all of my customers. I have yet to see anything better.
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