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post #11 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 10:10 AM
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I'm not very familiar with salt (never use it), but I don't believe it's something that you dose more than once. It stays in the tank, so the only time you would need to add more is after a water change.

6 serpaes in a 6 gallon is not a tank set up for success - sounds like you are aware of that now. As long as you don't make that mistake again they will not have died in vain.

Ich is in the tank, and yes it will die without hosts. However, that doesn't mean that you have to nuke the tank and start all over. I would put another fish in there, only appropriate for the tank size this time, and proceed with the heat treatment. Ich is very easy to take care of, provided it's caught early. I do preemptive heat treatments on all new fish, so it's not something you have to wait till you see spots to do. I have never used salt - the heat alone works - so I would do a massive water change to get it out first. I'm sure those that use salt will say to leave it in, but I am anti-salt so I say get it out. There's always more than one way to do anything, so it's just a matter of what people have found works best for them.

Also, moving forward, the heat treatment is best administered when it's caught early on. If the fish are infested (spots everywhere, clamped fins, moping around the tank), then meds are the way to go as they need immediate relief. Quick cure is my preferred med, though it's been ages since I've had to use it for ich. The heat treatment takes several days - time a dying fish just doesn't have. Quick cure works in 2 days. Is there a chance the meds will kill the fish? yes, but a fish that is that infested is already knocking on deaths door, so it's a little late to be concerned about that. The reward of timely relief outweighs the risk of killing a fish that's near death as it is, in my opinion.

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post #12 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 04:02 PM Thread Starter
They died bc of the temp. it is the only thing that makes sense. they were not completely covered, in fact my gf noticed it at first and until i looked close i did not agree. only 1 or 2 seemed to have signs.
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post #13 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 07:54 PM
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They died bc of the temp. it is the only thing that makes sense.
I seriously doubt it. I've administered the heat treatment on at least 50 species and haven't found one yet that could not handle it, including serpaes, and a number of "cold water" fish. It's far more likely that you overdosed them with salt, in my opinion. Out of curiosity, what did you get the temp up to? It's can be quite challenging to get the temp right in such a small tank.

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90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
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post #14 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 08:29 PM Thread Starter
the temp jumped about 3-5 degrees in 13 hours, that is why i believe it to be temp. i was reading 72-75 before and when i got home i was reading closer to 80.
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post #15 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 08:30 PM Thread Starter
every where i read that has said to use salt, said to use 1-2 table spoons per 5 gallons. so i used on the lighter side of the correct salt dosage. I dunno. could be either one.
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post #16 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 08:31 PM
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I agree, the temp being raised should not have killed this species unless it went way too high. Around 86F is sufficient, and in a week this should deal with ich.

The salt could more likely have killed them. Characins are highly sensitive to salt, and indeed to chemicals and ich medications are often copper-based.

This is a lesson learned, and most of us have gone through it. But looking ahead, to avoid similar, consider only small fish for a 6 gallon tank. There are several in our profiles. Take note of your water parameters out of the tap, and look for suitable fish. Cyprinids contains some, a few in characins.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #17 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 08:41 PM
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im a salt and heat user to get rid of ich i use them in combo and about the same dosage as you did but i only dose once with the heat cranked. your second dose of salt is likely what did them in. when dealing with fish sensitive to salt half the dosage. with ich you have to be somewhat patient but lesson learned liek they all said here. it was the heat it was the double dose of salt. i have also read where people will do a salt dip on fish to help the situation but ive never done this and could only imagine it would really stress the fish. if i were you i would drain the tank and let it sit dry for a few days was everything no soap and then refill add ur conditioner and wait a few more days then start over from square one. yea you will have to go through the cycle again but u have plants now and have been through the cycle and will know what to do to get through it.so we learned

half dose salt on sensitive fish
dose salt only once
raise heat slowly (which you did)

keep your head high and move forward ive lost more fish then i wish to count to mistkaes exactly like this. its going through the things like this that teach us what should be done in certain situations. GL on further restocks!!!
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post #18 of 22 Old 02-26-2013, 08:55 PM
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In my opinion, ich is not a reason to tear down a tank or start over from scratch - It's the easiest ailment in fishkeeping to cure, and it's important to learn to do so.

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125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
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In my opinion, ich is not a reason to tear down a tank or start over from scratch - It's the easiest ailment in fishkeeping to cure, and it's important to learn to do so.
of course, however starting fresh isnt goign to hurt anything and he already knows what hes doing. making sure he gets it gone when he restarts isnt a bad idea and what i woudl do if i were him. but then again we all have opinions and this is mine take it or leave it
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post #20 of 22 Old 02-27-2013, 02:26 AM Thread Starter
Byron - to your unknown quote in your signature, you can add botanist for us live plant keepers.

Mitch - Thanks for the good words. I was told from multiple sources that 1 tbsp is "one dose" if thats the case i only did one dose. if .5 tbsp is one dose then i did 2 two. Just to clarify. When you said I did two doses in your post i was not sure if you meant i did 1 or 2 tbsp. It was only 1.

As of right now, since i have nothing else in there, i left the heater at 86 and added 2 more tbsp of salt. I think i am just gonna let the salt ride out with the high temp for a bit rather than tearing down. If all plans come through, this will be my qt tank in the near future. I want a 30-55 gal community tank.
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