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Angel fish unwell, help pls. Researched everything and dont have a clue :(
Old 01-22-2012, 07:10 PM   #11
 
Fish poop is considered waste. The waste is transformed into ammonia then nitrite and lastly nitrate by good germs. The filter is where most of the germs live and that is why it is important. The filter also acts as a air pump. We need to know the ammonia nitrite and nitrate are to see if that could be a problem.
What are the dimensions of your tank length width and height. Describe the illness or any symptoms of the fish
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Old 01-22-2012, 07:20 PM   #12
 
As of now I can't test the water, tomorrow I'm going to buy a filter and test kits. Would it be okay to replace the air pump with the filter and where
would I place it in the tank wihout it being a nuisance to him.
I can't measure til tomrrow either.
His symptoms are bloated tummy, breathing rapidly and rubbing against air pump.
Would it be okay if you added me on facebook as I don't know how
To use this properly. Thankyou
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:43 PM   #13
 
Don't actually have a face book, yes the air pump and the filter will be okay but overkill. She might have internal parasites or most likely bloat
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:42 AM   #14
 
It won't hurt, in fact I recommend it, if you leave the air bubbler in the tank. You can't have too much oxygen in the water. Your fish, like many, has general symptoms that could be caused by a number of different things. Without being sure, people are going to be hesitant to recommend anything for fear of suggesting the wrong thing.

It could just be ammonia or nitrite poisoning, but it sounds more like the fish has some kind of internal problem like parasites or an infection. If you've seen long stringy white poop, then it's likely parasites. I believe that fish infected with parasites such as tapeworms will commonly continue to eat, but still waste away since the parasite is getting all the nutrients from the food.

Since your fish has tail damage and refuses to eat, bacterial infection may be the problem. Do you see any red blotches or horizontal redish striping thru the skin? These would be signs of a bacterial infection.

Can you see inside his gills? If so, are they bright red, swollen, or brownish colored?

Even if you lose this fish, you shouldn't give up on fish completely. The filter is a necessity to keep virtually any type of fish so that won't be money wasted.

The number one key to healthy fish is clean water, clean meaning no ammonia and no nitrites, not just clear water. Secondly, they need as little stress as possible. This means keeping the right number, and the right type of tank mates as well as providing plenty of hiding spots for the fish. As soon as a fish feels unsafe, its immune system will be compromised and it will get sick from opportunistic invaders. Like us, fish are always under attach by various fungi, parasites, bacteria and viruses. Unfortunately many of these things can cause similar symptoms such as panting and sitting still. Rubbing against things is generally a sign of parasites of some type.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:48 AM   #15
 
Its just with it being a medium sized tank I didn't want two types of blowy things to overwhelm him. So do you suggest using anti internal bacteria?
And wouldn't I need to do a complete 100% water change since there is still some anti white-spot in ther. I'm going to the pet shop soon
and I normally ask him but he doesn't really want me annoying him really just wants me to
buy stuff and get out. If this was your fish
what would you suggest buying today I have 50
So out of test kit, aquariam salt, filter, anything else?
I really don't know what I'm doing and I don't want him to die because of me
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:51 AM   #16
 
And yes its red near his gills.
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:57 AM   #17
 
I would get a hang-on-the-back type of filter if you can. It won't blow bubbles, but it will provide a small waterfall like effect to stir up the surface. You could just go with a sponge type filter that hooks to your air pump since the tank is small, any size should do.

Red near the gills is a sign of ammonia poisoning as well as parasites such as gill flukes etc, so water changes as much as possible are the way to go. Be sure that you can test for ammonia and for nitrItes with the kit that you buy. Liquid tests are better than paper strips and are much cheaper in the long run since you can do scores of tests.

As for medicine suggestions, I wish somebody else would chime in. I'm thinking that since the fish is rubbing against objects that it may be parasites so I guess I'd treat for that using something different than you've been using. Look for Tetra Parasite Guard since it is probably allot cheaper than using an AP medicine but will contain the same drugs more or less. It also contains some antibiotics to aid in secondary bacterial infections.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:22 PM   #18
 
Just been in pet shop and explain everything to the pet
shop owner who seems to actually help unlike others. And he advised me to get Anti slime and velvet.
I also bought aquariam salt, test strips and a gravel cleaner.
How do I start fresh now tonight with everything?
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Old 01-23-2012, 02:40 PM   #19
 
I tested the water and my results are:

Ammonia - 10
Nitrate No3 - 0
Nitrate No2 - 0
GH - 125
KH - 100
pH - <64

And the measurements of my tank
Say from google that I have a 5gallon. 18 litre tank?

Please help
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:47 PM   #20
 
Change all of your water now, the ammonia levels are way too high and will assuredly kill the fish. It is very likely that this is the root cause of all of the problems with the fish. I like to prepare tomorrows water today, so that it is at least room temp by the time I need it. Just put your filter together and rinse the parts in dechlorinated water as you assemble it. Be prepared to change at least half of your water every day for the next month or two while the filter cycles in. Put one tablespoon of salt per five gallons of water.

See if the shop owner will give you some filter media or gravel to put in your tank to jump start the cycle.
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