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Old 03-24-2010, 04:55 AM   #11
 
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Original poster has 100 gal tank and not that many fish considering.
Has already performed 50 percent water change and reported that fish are looking better. Would stick with 25 percent daily water changes until test kit is aquired or take sample of water to fish store and ask them to test it.
I believe has only lost one fish that may or may not have died of ICH and is why I suggested not medicating as you have as well if no symptoms are present . Would stick with water changes and observe the fish before medicating.
Livebearers Original poster has ,will not react negatively to the salt (if needed), at dosage suggested as well as temp suggested. Would place salinity level quite low at around 1.001. have used this dosage with numerous species of fish as well as plecos ,and at one half teaspoon per gal with corys who are a bit more sensitive with no ill effects.
Is good idea to borrow some filter material from a friends tank if possible to help seed the 100 gal with bacteria.
I believe I have offered all I can at this point but original poster according to most recent post appears to be set on medicating the tank. If syptoms of ICH appear,,I would go with salt which is effective along with raising temp.
Treating 100 gal with medications combined with possible needed water changes? will get expensive ,and I would not be inclined to medicate unless necessary. Opinions vary.

Wow lots of feedback thanks guys

In relation to the fish, i cannot take them back to the fish store as they are over 5 months old.
i used to have a 50gal tank, however due to the shark getting bigger and wanting more fish we were lucky enough to able to get a 100gal tank.

i made the mistake of getting impatient and killing 4 x new platies in the process as the Amonia in the tank stressed them out and killed them, now only one platy survived, however strangely enough all 5 new mollies survived? are the hardy fish ?

so im now stuck with the fish in cycle, reading through the forums alot of people make the same mistake, fill the tank with water, wait for the temp to get to 27'c and add water conditioner, then add fish without the proper cycle, however the actual affect doesn't take place untill the Amonia spike kicks in, no good bacteria, alot of fish poop and they die off.

in regards to the salt, what type of salt do you use?
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:29 AM   #12
 
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for salt, you want to likely avoid table salt because it can contain iodine as well as anti-caking agents. aquarium salt is safe, and i believe kosher salt and sea salt are as well but i would wait for somebody to confirm that. whichever you go with, do not just dump it straight into your tank. rather, you should dissolve it in some tank water and then pour it in.

if this is a planted tank or if you have any inverts, i would not use it at all...as it is with your plec, i wouldnt use more than a 1/2 dose, but different people will tell you different things.

i know it is a 100 gallon tank, but you will still have to keep doing lots of water changes until the ammonia levels will keep under .25 and eventually to zero. the amount of water you change out should be determined by the levels of ammonia present, not by how much work it will be. if the numbers stay low, fewer/less water changes....if it gets up real high then they will increase.

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Old 03-26-2010, 05:32 AM   #13
 
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for salt, you want to likely avoid table salt because it can contain iodine as well as anti-caking agents. aquarium salt is safe, and i believe kosher salt and sea salt are as well but i would wait for somebody to confirm that. whichever you go with, do not just dump it straight into your tank. rather, you should dissolve it in some tank water and then pour it in.

if this is a planted tank or if you have any inverts, i would not use it at all...as it is with your plec, i wouldnt use more than a 1/2 dose, but different people will tell you different things.

i know it is a 100 gallon tank, but you will still have to keep doing lots of water changes until the ammonia levels will keep under .25 and eventually to zero. the amount of water you change out should be determined by the levels of ammonia present, not by how much work it will be. if the numbers stay low, fewer/less water changes....if it gets up real high then they will increase.

iv'e done daily water changes, 25%, the fish seem ok, iv'e noticed green algea starting to show in my tank which im hoping is the good bacteria. I have plastic plants, however upon reading the forum will exhange to live plants which helps with Oxygen, the only fish that has died is a Neon Tetra after close look it looks like his tail has gone, so i think my red-tailed shark is getting abit territorial, especially with the mollies that keep attimadating it. it's quite funny to see the mollies go in his ship then get chased around the tank. , but im keeping a close eye caused i dont want my fish to be stressed so may have to hide his territory abit more maybe some more plants ect...
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:13 PM   #14
 
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if your red tailed shark is getting aggressive, adding some more decorations and plants and hidey holes will definitely help....lots of things to break up its line of sight. those do get to a pretty good size and are known to get territorial as you mentioned. i know those water changes are a hassle but keep them up and your fish will have a much higher survival rate. that test kit is going to be important until those numbers get to zero.

have you tested yet for ammonia? that will tell you if the water changes are still needed so much. hopefully they wont be....too bad you cannot get a hold of some seeded media
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:36 PM   #15
 
If you did not received your kit yet, bring a sample to your LFS to get it tested. They usually do it for free, i do understand it is probably a hassle, but at least you will have a reading.
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:56 PM   #16
 
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My LFS uses strips.

Also wanted to say salt would be a catch 22-
Salt often raises PH, and a higher PH the ammonium (less toxic) turns to ammonia (more toxic)

Also... I thought neons liked soft water?
I know livebearers need above 7.

What's your PH?

Also... table salt has iodine, but not enough to cause any damage.
(at a tsp or so per gallon, the iodine levels are hardly measurable)

Also, keep an eye out for some Stress-Zyme, it CLAIMS to trigger cycling- sometimes getting a tank to cycle in 7 days.

Also, adding all the things like ich medication, salt, etc will likely slow the cycling process...
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Old 03-29-2010, 03:37 AM   #17
 
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My LFS uses strips.

Also wanted to say salt would be a catch 22-
Salt often raises PH, and a higher PH the ammonium (less toxic) turns to ammonia (more toxic)

Also... I thought neons liked soft water?
I know livebearers need above 7.

What's your PH?

Also... table salt has iodine, but not enough to cause any damage.
(at a tsp or so per gallon, the iodine levels are hardly measurable)

Also, keep an eye out for some Stress-Zyme, it CLAIMS to trigger cycling- sometimes getting a tank to cycle in 7 days.

Also, adding all the things like ich medication, salt, etc will likely slow the cycling process...


Thanks Guys

Test results came back with
Nitrate 0
Amonia 0
PH 7.6

iv'e noticed that my tank is 20 Gal, not 100, the other question i have how many fish can a 20 Gal hold?
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:01 AM   #18
 
Before asking how much the capacity to hold, could you update on what is left with the type and amount of fish in the tank, then you will get a better amount.
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Old 03-29-2010, 09:02 AM   #19
 
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Before asking how much the capacity to hold, could you update on what is left with the type and amount of fish in the tank, then you will get a better amount.

i have

1 x red tailed shark
1 x guppies
1 x platy
5 x mollies
4 x tetra's
1 x pleco

i was thinking some smaller fish, anyone would recommend.?
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:38 PM   #20
 
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0 small fish. The Red Tailed Shark and the Pleco will grow way too big for that tank (RTS get 6", Plecos 12")

Of course I am assuming you have a common pleco here.

In any case the RTS will kill anything smaller than it when its full grown, they are very territorial when they mature.

Even mollies (again not sure what kind you have) get rather big, usually a 30g minimum is recommended for them. Some species get up to 6".


And the test strips.... just because your LFS uses them doesn't make them any more reliable. LFS also use cups to house bettas and feed their fish the cheapest food they can find but that doesn't mean its a wise thing for you to do.

I would try to offload / upsize the larger fish then start working with whats left in the 20g.
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