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post #11 of 19 Old 01-30-2010, 10:18 AM
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What is "oddly perfect" in figures?
Careful there with these chems in the water of the ADF...I used peat to lower mine naturally for them; these chems more often then not create good swings of your pH within the tank up & down - That on the frogs health 24/7 is more dangerous then leaving the water as it si.

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post #12 of 19 Old 01-30-2010, 02:55 PM Thread Starter
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What is "oddly perfect" in figures?
Careful there with these chems in the water of the ADF...I used peat to lower mine naturally for them; these chems more often then not create good swings of your pH within the tank up & down - That on the frogs health 24/7 is more dangerous then leaving the water as it si.
Ammonia was 0ppm, nitrites and nitrates were within nominal levels as well. Which is definitely weird, and makes me think that their frogs are sick.

If the two remaining frogs die, I'm going to throw in the towel for amphibians (for now) and get a betta.
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post #13 of 19 Old 01-31-2010, 03:07 AM
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Almost everything I've read says H. boettgeri do best in slightly alkaline pH from 7.2-7.6 and can adapt to anything from 6.5 to 8.0.

Am I missing something here?

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post #14 of 19 Old 01-31-2010, 03:26 AM Thread Starter
I don't know, but this is quickly becoming very weird. I seem to have a male and a female remaining, and the ventral aspect of the female's legs are turning an odd pinkish color. Not red, mind you - I can see that the blood vessels are fine and intact. Before he died, the third frog was getting rather...erm, friendly with the female. Is this some sign of egg bearing or fertility, or is she sick? She eats like a little pig, so I would think that she's OK for the most part.

Also, behavior-wise, the frogs often try to swim up and down right at the sides of the tank, or they try to dig into the substrate (I got a size that's too big for them to eat, so it's hard for them to move it). The female is also extremely skittish, often bashing the sides of the tank when I approach (or rapidly hitting the surface as though taking in a breath, but without opening her mouth), though the male doesn't seem as easily frightened. I've heard that frogs attempting to leave the tank equals something being wrong with the setup, but the test results were fine and the filter I'm running is also fine. I can't help but feel that I'm missing something here.

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No idea why I'm still up. Went house hunting today, and having trouble winding down I guess.

Don't know if your female has a problem. Neither of our ADF's or any of the frogs/toads I kept as a kid came down sick so I have no experience doctoring them. I sometimes notice a slight red/pinkish twinge to our frogs legs. More a lighting trick when I see it. The frogs legs are backlit and their flesh has a slight pinkish hue.

Can you post pics?

Some useful information on red leg disease:

Animal Planet :: Reptile Guide :: Frogs & Amphibians

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Ammonia was 0ppm, nitrites and nitrates were within nominal levels as well.
That has nothing to do with sick frogs; as I said in one of my earlier posts they're very sensitive to NO's and Ammonia's any NO levels that you'd consider "normal" for the fish can already be toxic to them; this you can only counter act with w/c.

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I don't know, but this is quickly becoming very weird. I seem to have a male and a female remaining, and the ventral aspect of the female's legs are turning an odd pinkish color. Not red, mind you - I can see that the blood vessels are fine and intact. Before he died, the third frog was getting rather...erm, friendly with the female. Is this some sign of egg bearing or fertility, or is she sick? She eats like a little pig, so I would think that she's OK for the most part.

Also, behavior-wise, the frogs often try to swim up and down right at the sides of the tank, or they try to dig into the substrate (I got a size that's too big for them to eat, so it's hard for them to move it). The female is also extremely skittish, often bashing the sides of the tank when I approach (or rapidly hitting the surface as though taking in a breath, but without opening her mouth), though the male doesn't seem as easily frightened. I've heard that frogs attempting to leave the tank equals something being wrong with the setup, but the test results were fine and the filter I'm running is also fine. I can't help but feel that I'm missing something here.
If you had a pregnant one there, they built much like certain fish, foamy nests with eggs.
As for the behavior to swim up&down and get air that is their perfectly normal behavior! That's the same for the digging, also normal on the natural food hunt, I had found over time that a mix of sand & peat works best for their homes.

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Er, my male just bit my female's foot so hard that the end of one of her toes broke off. She seems to be swimming fine, but the toe bit has definitely been chomped off. What do I do for this?
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Er, my male just bit my female's foot so hard that the end of one of her toes broke off. She seems to be swimming fine, but the toe bit has definitely been chomped off. What do I do for this?
Ouch. Love at first bite, eh?

Might be one of the few situations where some melafix could come in handy to help keep it from getting infected.

Here's what I would do. Keep the water extremely clean. Could try catching the frog and dabbing a tiny bit of neosporin ointment on the injured toe. Watch for signs of fungus - white cottony growth. Watch for bacterial infection - necrotic tissue around the injury or redness radiating out from the wound. If either of those pop up, you'll need some real meds to treat it.

Keep the water absolutely pristine. Frogs are tough. Plenty stories around about them regenerating entire limbs.

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Second that apart from the injury also for their well being keep the water superb.

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