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Ack - Ich! With farlowella and kuhlis... Help please!
Old 02-10-2012, 10:21 AM   #21
 
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For future browsers of this thread, YES! Extra aeration is needed. The higher the temp of the water, the less oxygen it can hold. This is especially important with certain species, and in heavily stocked or overstocked tanks, but it helps in any situation. Extra aeration can come in the form of airstones (best choice), or dropping the water level down a bit so that the outflow of the filter causes more splashing.
This is a good point. I've not done this myself, and I can't recall noticing any issues, but that may have just been the specific fish species. Good advice, whichever.

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In using a copper drug on a tank that has a normally low pH, does it mess with the pH?
No. The pH is not affected by these treatments.

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If you're not vacuuming the substrate to help get rid of cilates, and water changing to help get rid of tomites, does it make the process longer?
I've never vacuumed the substrate for this purpose, and you are the first person I've read who mentioned this aspect. While vacuuming the substrate would/could presumably remove some of the cilates, and changing water might remove some of the free-swimming tomites--both practices will also diminish the strength of medication in the aquarium and this could allow some of the ich to slip through and attach to a host fish. Adding more medication to deal with the water removed is possible, and with a medication like CopperSafe might be OK because it is not as potent as other copper-based meds (which is why it is "safer" on sensitive fish). But with a stronger med, I would think this very risky. Elevated levels of copper can kill plants, fish and bacteria. I prefer to have a better idea of how much copper I'm adding. I have for instance noticed plants being affected by some other copper medications when used just as recommended; this has never occurred with Coppersafe, provided I also discontinue fertilization--the two together does affect plants, which I assume is the elevated copper level. So my thinking here is that one has to be careful, and the best action would seem to be not changing water to maintain an effective but not detrimental level of copper. Treatment for a week or two weeks at most should deal with the ich, and shortening this by even a couple days is not worth the possible risk in my view.

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Isn't the magic temperature 86 degrees F?
Raising the temperature simply quickens the life cycle of the ich. The temperature can be left at its normal setting, and should be if there are fish that have difficulties with higher temperatures. If the fish can tolerate it, raising the temperature to 90F alone will kill off the ich in a week or two, with no medications. But many fish cannot manage with this. I have found raising the temp to 85F and using CopperSafe for a week has worked, and I have observed the least amount of additional stress on the fish. I have some very delicate wild-caught fish, and this has so far appeared to be the safer approach.

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With copper drugs, do you still continue the treatment for 3 days after seeing the last cyst?
I just do the treatment for a full week, plus a couple days. I never pay attention to spots, although I have not so far ever seen any after the 7th day. I also observe to see if any fish are flashing, which is the first sign of ich because ich always first attacks the gills before any spots will be visible on the fish.

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Old 02-10-2012, 10:34 AM   #22
 
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Ah, this is all very good to know! Thanks for the education on CopperSafe!
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:25 PM   #23
 
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Should I do another water change or wait a full week? I did one 25% change.

Also, do I need to worry about my Eheim sponges or anything like that?
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Old 02-11-2012, 06:57 PM   #24
 
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Should I do another water change or wait a full week? I did one 25% change.

Also, do I need to worry about my Eheim sponges or anything like that?
If you've treated with CopperSafe, just do normal once weekly water changes. Each water change will reduce the level of CS in the water.

No. I never touch the filters after treatment. The sponge filters are rinsed every water change, and the canister media is not touched.
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Old 02-12-2012, 10:37 AM   #25
 
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You rinse the sponge weekly? Wow...

I retested my water. There is .25 ammonia. I think I'll have to do another water change and pull up that rock and see if there are any remnants of the 3 missing ricefish rotting.

I had to euthanize the one that wasn't doing that great last night. So now I'm down to two (from 6). The remaining two seem totally fine. Since they're a new species to the hobby, I don't know what to think. They developed it very quickly, were pretty much the only species to get hit like that and they either died from it or from the treatment. It's so odd because they seemed so healthy, adaptable, and bombproof. And my tank overall seemed to be doing so well. *sigh*

So sad to have any losses. Even harder to see a fish struggling.

I guess I could be told that I should have done a QT tank...
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:55 PM   #26
 
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You rinse the sponge weekly? Wow...

I retested my water. There is .25 ammonia. I think I'll have to do another water change and pull up that rock and see if there are any remnants of the 3 missing ricefish rotting.

I had to euthanize the one that wasn't doing that great last night. So now I'm down to two (from 6). The remaining two seem totally fine. Since they're a new species to the hobby, I don't know what to think. They developed it very quickly, were pretty much the only species to get hit like that and they either died from it or from the treatment. It's so odd because they seemed so healthy, adaptable, and bombproof. And my tank overall seemed to be doing so well. *sigh*

So sad to have any losses. Even harder to see a fish struggling.

I guess I could be told that I should have done a QT tank...
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By sponge I mean the tanks that have just a sponge filter. They are rinsed every week. They pick up a lot.

Going from memory again, but if the pH is below 7, forget the ammonia. You have plants.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:43 PM   #27
 
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OK, I thought for a minute there you were breaking down your canister filters every week to rinse the pads!

And yes - my pH is usually 6.8ish.
The only reason I am itching for a water change is that though fish are acting mostly normally, the gobies are hanging out at notably higher levels in the tank than normal. The kuhlis are still less active during the day, and so are the Pencilfish, though they are much better and come out readily at feeding time. Everyone still has good color, though.

I'm just anxious for everything to be back to normal. Hopefully I'm not presenting like too much of a worry wart.

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OK, I thought for a minute there you were breaking down your canister filters every week to rinse the pads!

And yes - my pH is usually 6.8ish.
The only reason I am itching for a water change is that though fish are acting mostly normally, the gobies are hanging out at notably higher levels in the tank than normal. The kuhlis are still less active during the day, and so are the Pencilfish, though they are much better and come out readily at feeding time. Everyone still has good color, though.

I'm just anxious for everything to be back to normal. Hopefully I'm not presenting like too much of a worry wart.
If something doesn't look right, fish behaviour wise, I agree, a partial water change is often a good remedy.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:34 PM   #29
 
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Water change last night, and today I came home from work to see all the Pencilfish out and about, and the male goby on the bottom of the tank.

Do you find that your Pencilfish are often "barometers" in your tank? I think I'm learning which fish to pay most close attention to for certain things to catch them early.
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Water change last night, and today I came home from work to see all the Pencilfish out and about, and the male goby on the bottom of the tank.

Do you find that your Pencilfish are often "barometers" in your tank? I think I'm learning which fish to pay most close attention to for certain things to catch them early.
Depends. Pencilfish that are wild caught (like this species is) will be more sensitive to any deterioration in water quality, parameter changes, etc. than some other species.
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