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Ack - Ich! With farlowella and kuhlis... Help please!
Old 01-27-2012, 08:49 PM   #1
 
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Ack - Ich! With farlowella and kuhlis... Help please!

Hey there,

I see a couple of white spots on one ricefish - may be the start of Ich.

I believe I've read that farlowella and kuhlis are sensitive to meds...
And I believe that farlowella are sensitive to high temps...

So what do I do?

Help! I want to get on this fast before it spreads.

Thank you!
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:28 PM   #2
 
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I also see a couple spots on two hatchetfish.

More tank info:
pH: 6.6-6.8
ammonia: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 10 ppm

My concerns are that the farlowella are new (got them Sunday) and wild-caught - I've heard that they're sensitive to meds, but also to large water changes and high temps. Not sure how much of all that is a serious factor, but I don't want to lose the farlowella from environmental stress.... They seem happy right now, no signs of ich, and are eating, etc.


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On the tail of the hatchetfish

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Old 01-27-2012, 10:02 PM   #3
 
Could u quarantine the "sick" fish and treat them separate of the fish that are sensitive to "meds"?
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Old 01-27-2012, 10:25 PM   #4
 
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I have an old 30 gallon tank, no heater or anything... I did think about it, but I worry that if I only treat certain fish, it might be in the others that aren't getting treated (just not showing it yet) or that it's in the tank itself... it is a parasite.

It's difficult to figure out exactly where it came from, because I have a new-ish tank so added the 3 farlowella this past weekend, and a week or two before that added 12 pseudomugil (from a store that is nice, but isn't as pristine as my normal store with the farlowella).
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Old 01-28-2012, 10:30 AM   #5
 
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Does anyone here have experience with Coppersafe and Kuhlis / Farlowella?

And how high do you think my Farlowella can take for temperature if I do it gradually? I'm so worried about them, can you tell? ;) They just seem to be doing so well fairly quickly and I'll be really upset if this stupid ich ends up killing any of them via treatment.

I think the rainbows brought it in - my husband says "I thought I saw it on one of the rainbows." They're so tiny it's hard to see if they have any spots. (Plus, they're spotted rainbows. ;) )
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Old 01-28-2012, 10:35 AM   #6
 
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That is ich, mild but present. I see this often on new fish. Removing the spotted fish is pointless as the ich is in the tank and will attack other fish, so treatment must occur in the tank with the fish when you first see it.

Sometimes you can let this go and the fish will fight it off. But if it were me and I saw what is in your photos, I would treat the tank. Best treatment for sensitive fish is heat and CopperSafe. I have never had issues with this treatment, and I have some very sensitive wild-caught fish.

Raising the temp to at least 90F will work, though I have never tried this since I have fish that cannot tolerate this. I use CopperSafe with the heat raised to 85F.

Do a water change [this is because the tank will not have another for 1-2 weeks] and raise the temperature to 85F partly with the water change and partly by raising the setting on the heater. Add the recommended dose of CopperSafe immediately after the water change; I believe it is one teaspoon per 4 gallons. Remember that substrate, wood, rock will displace some water, so in a 29g tank for instance there will likely be around 23 actual gallons of water, roughly.

Maintain the 85F temp for one full week, then turn the heater back to its normal setting and just let the tank naturally cool down. Do another water change 3-4 days after that.

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Old 01-28-2012, 10:40 AM   #7
 
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Thank you! I'll get Coppersafe today. Better than AquariSol?

Also, should I use my spray bar more at the surface for agitation to increase aeration with the temp increase? I've read about that, have you done it, or do you think my Eheim 2217 is sufficient? (65 gallon tank).

Should I do a normal 25% water change, or more?

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Old 01-28-2012, 11:19 AM   #8
 
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Thank you! I'll get Coppersafe today. Better than AquariSol?
Yes for sensitive fish. I used to use Aquari-Sol, but I remember my Farlowella sitting on floating plants with their rostrum above the surface, a sure sign they are not happy with the water. [I did an immediate major water change of course, as one always should if this occurs.]

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Also, should I use my spray bar more at the surface for agitation to increase aeration with the temp increase? I've read about that, have you done it, or do you think my Eheim 2217 is sufficient? (65 gallon tank).
Won't hurt to do this.

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Should I do a normal 25% water change, or more?
For me, the "normal" once a week water change is half the tank, so that is what I do. If your parameters between tank and tap water are close, this will be fine. The major point is that you will not be doing another change for at least a week as it would remove the CS and then you need to re-dose, and while this can be done it is best to leave it. Yoou want the water to be at its best when you start. And as we all know, fish love water changes.
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:34 AM   #9
 
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OK, yes my tap pretty much matches my tank - I'll do a 50% change, then.

Thanks again so much for your help, I always despair when I see anything wrong, even something common like ich, and the tank has been so healthy thus far.

There are so many opinions online about ich treatment, but I know that you've had similar species so I'm banking on your advice.
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Old 01-28-2012, 11:52 AM   #10
 
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OK, yes my tap pretty much matches my tank - I'll do a 50% change, then.

Thanks again so much for your help, I always despair when I see anything wrong, even something common like ich, and the tank has been so healthy thus far.

There are so many opinions online about ich treatment, but I know that you've had similar species so I'm banking on your advice.
CopperSafe is mild by comparison to most other medications. Others, even Aquari-Sol if memory serves me, suggest half dose for sensitive fish. CS does not need this. But with a relativeloy-mild infestation as you have, and I usually see similarly, it works very well. It is very common to see ich on new fish, it is caused by the stress.
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