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Old 06-12-2013, 10:47 AM   #41
 
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Some people really have no idea what certain terminology is in this aquarium world. Typically, if I don't understand something, I will google it's meaning and carry on like nothing happened. Some people cannot do that. They may loose their train of thought or whatever keeps them from finding out the meaning.

I do think a beginner forum is in order. There are just somethings in the aquarium world that is so advanced it can be intimidating to the beginner aquarist.
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Old 06-12-2013, 12:51 PM   #42
 
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This is interesting because we have been "described' as being a "beginner" forum strictly "low-tech"... that there wasn't room for the "out of the norm"...so we started this thread with a pole... so I find it surprising that members now want an area for the beginner... the low tech...?... what just happened here? lol

It's all about "perspective"... where you are as a fish keeper, experience and knowledge and who you interact with on the Forum. As we can see there are many different perspectives on how and what should be done. Let alone how we set it up behind the scenes. Every change takes discussion, approval and time to set up and install.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:44 AM   #43
 
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Posts, threads, questions, and answers should not be judged unless they violate site rules. I only reply to threads in which I feel I honestly have something to offer. Forgive me if I am naive for thinking that the vast majority of members do the same thing. If we are not willing to accept answers from "the average Joe", then we need to rephrase our purpose as "ask whoever" for expert advice. Participation is a very rewarding part of belonging to a community and being made to feel as though your posts aren't valued is very insulting. If we intend to keep this an open forum, people need to get over themselves and just skip over the threads that are "beneath them".
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:28 AM   #44
 
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This is interesting because we have been "described' as being a "beginner" forum strictly "low-tech"... that there wasn't room for the "out of the norm"...so we started this thread with a pole... so I find it surprising that members now want an area for the beginner... the low tech...?... what just happened here? lol

It's all about "perspective"... where you are as a fish keeper, experience and knowledge and who you interact with on the Forum. As we can see there are many different perspectives on how and what should be done. Let alone how we set it up behind the scenes. Every change takes discussion, approval and time to set up and install.
I reflected on your comment about us going from discussing advanced forums to beginner and I think I know how it happened and why. If we made a forum for beginners, then the original forums would become for experenced fishkeepers by default. I think I would personally fall in the oddball catagory where I'm experenced enough to help beginners and answer their questions while still needing to ask for help myself in the more advanced forums from time to time.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:06 PM   #45
 
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I do think a beginner forum is in order. There are just somethings in the aquarium world that is so advanced it can be intimidating to the beginner aquarist.
Beginners probably aren't going to pay any attention to such things. "beginners" research what is pertinent to their specific, immediate circumstances. What is FAR more important is that members providing beginner answers to beginner questions. If someone is asking "how do I attach java moss to a rock", telling them about pressurized CO2 and HO lighting systems and explaining how plants use O2 at night is totally unnecessary, and THAT is what is intimidating to new people.

I suppose not everyone can determine someones level of experience based on the questions they ask, so maybe a beginner area wouldn't be a bad thing.

As far as the advanced area - why not. Makes for easier referencing for those wanting to read up on such things.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:30 PM   #46
 
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I think this conversation is revealing what we suspected all along.... we do need a "Brand Spanking Newbie" area.... really easy explanations.... I agree!!
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The more technical, out of the box, "I want to try something new" area.... dirt/co2/etc (you know what I mean)...
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That Tropicalfishkeeping.com is NOT a site for just newbies and beginners as we Mods have been told.
(again... it's all perspective!) We're all in that middle category and don't give ourselves enough credit!!?? Thank you guys for all the brain storming! We love it!!

Has anyone written an article on "Fish IN" Cycling a tank.... cause you know that is how they ALL get into trouble. REAL EASY/BASIC STUFF. Remember we have members 10 years old on here. If so, can anyone provide a link?

And then back to the original topic....
What ADVANCED stuff do you want to see in the new Advanced area?
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:04 PM   #47
 
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I think the advanced section would be a great place for people to document their experiments.

I suppose it would be similar to that of a journal or something (I don't know, I don't journal or blog or anything). I think what I would want out of such a thing, is for the duration of the experiment for it to only be a question and answer deal about the experiment itself. Once the experiment is complete, I would start a new thread stating my findings, and THAT would be the discussion thread. I think it would be best to not have discussion/debate in the experiment journal.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:40 PM   #48
 
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Thanks for stopping by Jackie. It's really nice to to see you in here :)
I posted my opinion on the different sections and how I would personally change things around on the bottom of page 3 - top of page 4 on this thread. I took my time and spent a few hours sifting through all the sections. I'm sure it's far from perfect, but I think I covered everything for the most part and would love your feedback on my take on it. :D

*sigh*
*steadies self for backlash*
I know how to do fish in cycling because... well... that's how I do it. Yes I know most consider it the cardinal sin of fishkeeping, but as long as the tank is lightly stocked, they are fed properly with all leftovers removed, there is a filter to help water movement, and you are willing to do all the legwork that comes with it (mostly lots of pwc and testing amonia levels 3-5 times a week-sometimes daily), it works out fine. It's even easier with a few live plants. I could try to get a rough draft wrote up next week (its Father's Day weekend) and PM it to you if you want. I'm sure it will need editing, so feel free to edit it as much as you like. ;)

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*whispers* You will never find me O_O
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Old 06-14-2013, 08:50 PM   #49
 
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Thanks Bluewind for the suggestions!
I can't reveal it yet to you all but the Team and Admin are working on a total re-order of the Forum.... the new Reference section will be much farther down for one.... it's only on the top while we fill it creating new Profiles as the old ones must go. We're cleaning up our system so we can do platform updates at some point.

I'll post a link to this thread and mention post 30-31 to those that have drawn up the new order of things. They can see if your ideas match or shed another perspective! Some of your ideas do look familiar to the changes I think that are coming. Great minds think alike.
Yes we know there is a lot of duplication, the re-alignment will help... but that has to come first. We also MUST reduce the Stickies down. Some are basically ignored, there are too many. Those are being tidied up too and closed from adding posts like "great article"... that sort of thing.
We also know that we have hoards of Spam coming in and need to revamp the "sign up" process and are discussing ways to have new members join and enter the Forum. This will not reduce the Spam but will keep it all in one place thus disturbing our members much less. There is much discussion going on about Spam, trust me.

While we do all that, we heard big concerns that certain areas were very lacking... that the more advanced/experimental don't have a place to speak/discuss...so we created the pole that is at the top of this thread. So if you guys can tell us what you want... we can add to the new section/format.
Once you tell us what you want we Mods will have a meeting to discuss how to set it up and request the changes be done by the Techs.
Nothing is going to get changed without ideas put forward. The poll was a way to determine if it's 2 members who want to debate... or 20-30... or more. i.e is there a need?
Does that help?
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Old 06-15-2013, 10:29 AM   #50
 
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Whoops! I completely forgot to scan the stickies. I will give them a look next week :)
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