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Scientific Debate (with references, not opinions) 15 55.56%
Soil Substrates and 'NPT's (Plants subforum) 12 44.44%
'High Tech': Pressurised CO≤ and higher light (Plants subforum) 7 25.93%
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:16 PM   #31
 
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*I accadentally hit submit and then ran out of time to edit my last post

3. Plant foru should be split into beginner and advanced forums
a) Beginner would have stickies on easy care plants, basics substrates, easy ferts, different types of plants (floating, column feeding, root...), and common plant issues, problems, and diseases.
b) Advanced would have stickies on CO2, substrates/soils and ferts in detail, rare and difficult care plants, NPT, aquascaping, and so on.

4. DIY needs a sticky on aquarium safe products and materials such as silicon

5. Tropical Fish Diseases should have some of its stickies merdged, edited, and expanded to accomodate emergancies that may happen during low trafic times

6. Article Forums are a bit messy
a) Merdge saltwater article forums
b) Perhaps change name of disease article forum to include saltwater
c) Merdge Betta, freshwater plants, and freshwater general

7. Under Freshwater and Troical Fish...
a) Inverts and Shrimp should be merdged
b) Betta can stand alone because of high trafic
c) Why do we need 5 forums that cover puffer fish? Would it be possible to make a forum titled puffer fish and place all the current forums i it like we did for bettas?

8. Make a new forum for posting the latest scientic articles and engadging in scholarly debate
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:35 AM   #32
 
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Just so you know, the issues mentioned in the last three posts are being looked into right now. I won't go into specifics because we are working through all this, but most if not all of the points raised are under discussion.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:25 AM   #33
 
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Hey Byron! Thanks for the spoiler allet. And tell the others thanks for all their hard work for me. ;)
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Old 05-26-2013, 03:21 PM   #34
 
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Agreed with Bluewind :)
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Old 05-26-2013, 06:46 PM   #35
 
Some thoughts:
1. By definition and agreement of the members, debate usually requires facts; debate without fact is an argument.
2. Some people are soooo new that they are still at the fish bowl stage and the way Blue outlined things wouldn't make any sense to them, i.e., cycle?
3. Possibly some simple charts at the beginning of the plant and fish sections might be helpful, i.e, common name, temp, ph, A, NTI, NTA, light, etc. for the non-readers. Those wanting more will go to the profiles anyway.
4. Definetely a Beginner's Section with simple directions and some Must Do statements.
5. While the questions from the new members are frustrating I'm sure for the older members, they are invaluable for the sharing of knowledge. If you restrict the questions, the flow of information is also slowed down.
6. I personally would like something different with regard to equipment. I have returned after 15 years and am confused with the new stuff. Canisters, LEDS, CO2 - what? Help! You guys are speaking Greek.

Any way, I am watching, reading and learning. Thanks. I don't know what I would have done without?
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:31 PM   #36
 
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I don't believe that anyone is too new to learn about the cycle - it's THE most important aspect of fish keeping. If one is old enough to own a pet, then they are old enough to know the mechanics by which the pet is kept alive....

I agree though - if an older member is annoyed to answer beginner questions, like on the cycle, then they should refrain from posting responses to those threads.


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Old 05-28-2013, 06:40 AM   #37
 
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I loe the idea of a forum where fishkeepers would not only give their opinion on something, but would have to back it up with cold hard facts. It might not end up a posting hotspot, but I cam definitly see it as a frequent hang out for lurkers.

When it comes to plants and such, we have to consider the fat that we already have a plant forum. However, advanced tecniques in planting need a separate place and advanced stickies for themselves. So, I would like to propose the following. Keep the original plant forum (perhaps renamingit something like Plants and Substrates or Plants: Low Tech or just Planted ) with lots of low tech and for beginners stickies with perhaps a section on the different types of substrate with their strengths and weaknesses and a list list of good beginner plants with their pH and hardness preferances. Then create a second forum entitled Advanced Planted Tanks with stickies on CO2, enriched substrates, rare and expert level plants, fertilizing, and so on. That way, the forum could target both high tech and NPT and group together people with an advanced interest in planted tanks. Many of these areas overlap, so I can see the 2 groups being of great help to each other. :)
I like this idea.
Planted tank forum's here in U.S. (with few exception's),are light year's behind other planted tank forum's outside U.S. with respect to the many differing way's to achieve desired result's.
Should also note that many planted tank folk's aren't alway's as concerned with fishes health as they are with plant health.And what may work well with plant only tank's,,could maybe be not so helpful, or beneficial to fishes ,invert's.
Discussion's ,more info,can only bring more knowledge.
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Old 05-29-2013, 06:39 PM   #38
 
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Thank you 1077. And you are right. We have badly neglected those who enjoy plant only tanks. I sincerely hope that the previously mentioned split of the plant forum into beginner and advanced goes through. ;)

Col, I can undersnad many of your points. Here is my take on them...

1. I agree with you here. That's why that particular foum should be for scientific articles and scholarly debates

2, 4, and 5. The beginner forum would be for those in their first few weeks/months of fishkeeping. The point of having those stickies there would be to ensure that they have all the information that they need at any time. It would also be a place to refer them to. For example, let's say that a newbie posts a post asking for help with their water. Maybe it looks funny or smells funny or they actually tested it and all the levels are major out of wack. Now if we were to try to explain everything to them and type it all out, odds are we would miss something or make it too complacated because we have been doing it long enough to do it automatically. OR we could make stickies with all that type of information covered fully and written in a way that a novice could understand and when someone asks a pertanant question, we could say "Oh! That sounds like (x). We have a great article called (y) located (z) that you should check out. If it doesn't answer your questions, let us know and we try to help you figure it out." Something like that.

3. I love the idea of the charts! I might be able to do a bit of it myself using the profiles to take some of the burden off the mods if they're willing ;)

6. Again, the stickies all need to be in simple language, even in the proposed advanced plant forum just so experenced fishkeepers such as yourself can utilize them :)
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:46 AM   #39
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Hello Folks:
It seems we are dancing on the titanic look at that twirl here we are talking about the unsinkable fish forum and not looking at the Giant ice berg headed ourway.

Why have a beginner forum do you think beginners are not capable of understanding what moderators and others of knowledge are pontificating. I am being too harsh with language and to restate maybe just answering queries in a multi-dimensional way instead of the current directive that so and so is the only answer possible.

For me simple is best one thing I dislike is being talked down to by assumed authority of knowledge. I donít give advice and donít take advice as anything other than a suggestion that may or most likely not work for my situation.

I think therefore I am a fish keeper and like all fish keepers I hold on tight to my opinions, notions and will only reluctantly accept other views. When did we become an ťlite society? What is a fact and what is opinion.

I donít mean to step on any toes but when reading my post it is best to wear steel toed safety shoes.

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Old 06-12-2013, 07:59 AM   #40
 
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Hello Folks:
It seems we are dancing on the titanic look at that twirl here we are talking about the unsinkable fish forum and not looking at the Giant ice berg headed ourway.

Why have a beginner forum do you think beginners are not capable of understanding what moderators and others of knowledge are pontificating. I am being too harsh with language and to restate maybe just answering queries in a multi-dimensional way instead of the current directive that so and so is the only answer possible.

For me simple is best one thing I dislike is being talked down to by assumed authority of knowledge. I donít give advice and donít take advice as anything other than a suggestion that may or most likely not work for my situation.

I think therefore I am a fish keeper and like all fish keepers I hold on tight to my opinions, notions and will only reluctantly accept other views. When did we become an ťlite society? What is a fact and what is opinion.

I donít mean to step on any toes but when reading my post it is best to wear steel toed safety shoes.

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I shall opt for ear plug's over safety shoes.
Some view's,opinion's, shared here,and held to,,,more often than not,,can cause unneeded problem's.
If you ain't part of the solution.... Then you are part of the problem.
I am an old fish keeper, who is never as surprised by that which I do not know,as I am by that which I thought I DID know.
Fish keeping in a nut shell is in my view,all about learning to take care of glass box of water.
Fish keeping is easy after the basic's of keeping water are learned.
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