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This is a discussion on Petitions for new 'advanced' sub-forums: Come vote! within the TFK.com Suggestions and Feedback forums, part of the The Tropical Fish Keeping Community category; --> Originally Posted by fish monger That sounds good to me, Pop. Just saying there are people who love to debate. Maybe a special niche ...

View Poll Results: Which new subforums would you post in?
Scientific Debate (with references, not opinions) 15 55.56%
Soil Substrates and 'NPT's (Plants subforum) 12 44.44%
'High Tech': Pressurised COČ and higher light (Plants subforum) 7 25.93%
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I have another idea. Ill post it here. Please add it. 3 11.11%
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:52 PM   #21
 
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That sounds good to me, Pop. Just saying there are people who love to debate. Maybe a special niche will lessen the amount that appears on "normal" threads, especially if the Mods bump them to that niche. Most of us who have been members for a little while have seen these "debates", for lack of a better term, erupt on some of the most innocent threads. It gets to the point where the OP and their question are pushed far into the background. I always continue to subscribe to those threads just to see how nasty things get. Sick, I know. Perhaps placing high level, heated debates in their own place will have the impact of decreasing the amount of intimidation experienced by the novices. I sure wouldn't post a question about my first 10 gallon after reading some of these threads.
I fail to understand why some people have such an issue with debate to begin with. Debate is healthy. It force both sides to draw lines and cough forth more than just "opinion" or "preference".

Sometimes innocent threads become heated battle grounds due to those who insist on giving advice based on personal preference, opinion...and not anything other than that. Advice to people needs to be solid. It needs to be right. Too many topics are allowed to rest on the idea of "Well there are different ways"...when in reality there are simply people who refuse to acknowledge that their response could be better, the advice could be more appropriate, and the questions more to the point.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:03 AM   #22
 
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I can't help but giggle as I watch something resembling the beginnings of a debate forming around the very thought of adding debate board - and why/how to properly debate on one! You're totally right, Fish - we TFKians will debate almost anything - we get so distracted sometimes. . . ^.^

I'm so happy to see you guys in here offering your suggestions - it's really nice hearing everyone's point of view on these subjects! Keep voting, guys. . . if enough members would use it, we'll open an area to get into all of this - and more! :)

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Old 05-22-2013, 01:39 AM   #23
 
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I like the idea of being able to 'rip out' the debate so to speak, and move it into it's own thread, and let it kind of 'rage' on. I don't mind debate and honestly it is quite enlightening, but it can get very off track from the original question, and they can honestly get quite scary, especially to a new-comer. I'm pretty sure like 4 other people already said this but I just wanted to get that out there.

Speaking of new-comers, what about a section or just a simplified sticky for total newbies? Something with a 'checklist' so to speak of what's needed to start/maintain a tank, and a simplified version of the cycle with a link to the more scientific article. Just something to give people baby steps. And a good mention on the benefits/necessity of water changes, the uses of a filter, the importance of suitable water parameters, etc. There are articles for these things but they're kind of all over the place, and I find that I have to repeat myself a lot and link to lots of different things. It would be nice to be able to refer people to something that encompasses all the basics, with links to each topic more in depth.



I also love the idea of splitting the Plant forum, although I would do it three ways. High tech, Low tech, and NPT (soil based). I suppose soil and low tech could be combined, but the NPTs always seem to get 'lost' among the other threads and can be difficult to find.

And it would be really nice to consolidate some of the topics, there are a lot. Especially for pictures and photography, not quite sure why there are two topics for that? Just wondering.
I like keeping the salt water on their side of the forum though, similar to how the betta forum is over on it's own side. Just personal opinion but I'd rather not have the bettas/salt forum get tangled in with TFK, but I'm not sure how the technical aspect works.
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Old 05-22-2013, 11:32 AM   #24
 
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I love your idea for the newbie foum jent. I know on other forums I'm a member of, they require you to post in an interoduce yourself forum before you can post on the rest of the site. I wonder if that would be possible for us to do here so we could funnel the newbies to all the wonderful beginner articles as well as make their first post here a positive experiance. What do yall think?
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:27 PM   #25
 
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I can't help but giggle as I watch something resembling the beginnings of a debate forming around the very thought of adding debate board - and why/how to properly debate on one! You're totally right, Fish - we TFKians will debate almost anything - we get so distracted sometimes. . . ^.^

I'm so happy to see you guys in here offering your suggestions - it's really nice hearing everyone's point of view on these subjects! Keep voting, guys. . . if enough members would use it, we'll open an area to get into all of this - and more! :)
Thanks for reminding me to bite my tongue. Debating is a good topic to get a debate started. So far, my only concern about a special sub-forum is that, after all of this interesting discussion, we only have a total of 35 votes.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:52 PM   #26
 
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A way bigger turn out than I ever imagined!! Woohoo!!
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:10 PM   #27
 
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I like the idea of a beginner forum and an advanced section, just so the 'newbie' questions don't get lost in the sea of more advanced stuff. And the stickies in the beginner area would be simplified step-by-step instructions, checklists, etc.

I know when I first started out I was absolutely overwhelmed by the information I needed to process, and some of it could be difficult to wrap my head around (ie the cycling process).

Speaking of cycling, if we do have a beginner sticky/forum, somewhere it should mention the benefits of live plants, and the basics of how to do a planted tank (or a link to an article on it, but something a bit simpler, maybe.)

I'm not saying the articles we have now are insufficient, they're just a bit advanced imo for someone just starting out.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:06 PM   #28
 
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I'm not saying the articles we have now are insufficient, they're just a bit advanced imo for someone just starting out.
I still wouldn't look
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Old 05-25-2013, 01:07 AM   #29
 
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i really think some of the subforums could be condensed before new subforums are added. like, what's with having "freshwater shrimp" AND "invertebrates"? why isnt the shrimp a subforum of inverts? that confuses me.


this was probably already mentioned, so i apologize if it was. but TFK is preeettty cluttered, not gonna lie.
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Old 05-25-2013, 07:26 PM   #30
 
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I think you're right DJ. Inverts and shrimp Should be combined. Your comment also got me to thinking about how else the forums could be adjusted so I did a few hours of looking to see what I would change if I could.

All the pags viewed was via tropicalfishkeeping.com

1. We have too many photogrphy forums. Either pond, freshwater, and saltwater photos need to be combined with Aquarium Photography or Aquarium Photogrphy should be removed

2. Meet the Community needs to be updated. Maybe change the tame to Welcome to TFK: Introduce yourself o the community and view articles specifically written for new aquatists. Add lots of simply written stickie for newbies including cycling (fish in and fishless), beginner plants (list of good ones and their benifits), common Q & A, intro to water chemistry (hardness, pH, amonia...), good beginner fish (for soft, hard, acidic, basic, and saltwater), and a simple explination of substrates.
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