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Old 04-07-2008, 02:48 AM   #11
 
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I know of it, though I haven't had the chance to visit yet. My husband has been there, has told me about it in the past. I look forward to the photos!

Maybe someone at the store can explain things to your boyfriend? For starters... 125 gallons wouldn't be nearly big enough for a ray of any species if its marine... not enough area in something like that.

Another good place to take him is a zoo. See if you can get a behind the scenes tour of something like that, so he can get a feel for the kind of equipment it takes to keep things of that nature. I have done this here with a number of people, as I have a friend who works at the Milwaukee Zoo in the aquatic/reptile building. Their filtration units would blow anyone away! Most people walk out of there shaking their heads and laughing about the idea of them having such an idea... my husband walked out of there figuring out what it would take to replicate it, lol. We figured the cost of filtration & circulation alone would run somewhere between $5,000 - $10,000 to keep a tank large enough for something like that to thrive in. Then, if it dies... which most do in captivity, what do you do with 10k in filtration equip that nobody would have a use for? That's a lot of money to waste when you're pinching pennies.

Have you considered buying him a 75 gallon tank of his own and putting a red tail shark in it so he can have his "shark"?

Or.... a 150 gallon and get him a freshwater teacup ray. It would be a lot less expensive and would have a much higher success rate. There are a few species of freshwater rays that stay small enough to be suitable for a home aquarium, but caring for them is just as difficult.

Maybe suggest he win the lottery first as a condition??

Tell him he can come visit my cuttlefish this summer when I get it... also, check your local city ordinances... many of them now are banning things like rays and sharks. I found out after we bought our house last year that those are not allowed within the city limits... any species. I thumbed my nose at them over it when I moved my 6 inch red tail shark in and told everyone I had a "shark" at home, lol. I know it's not technically a shark, but the name implies enough to upset the uneducated people around here who are making these stupid laws. I made a point with it, and am planning to run for city council next year to fix some of the stupid laws.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:44 AM   #12
 
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I know of it, though I haven't had the chance to visit yet. My husband has been there, has told me about it in the past. I look forward to the photos!

Maybe someone at the store can explain things to your boyfriend? For starters... 125 gallons wouldn't be nearly big enough for a ray of any species if its marine... not enough area in something like that.

Another good place to take him is a zoo. See if you can get a behind the scenes tour of something like that, so he can get a feel for the kind of equipment it takes to keep things of that nature. I have done this here with a number of people, as I have a friend who works at the Milwaukee Zoo in the aquatic/reptile building. Their filtration units would blow anyone away! Most people walk out of there shaking their heads and laughing about the idea of them having such an idea... my husband walked out of there figuring out what it would take to replicate it, lol. We figured the cost of filtration & circulation alone would run somewhere between $5,000 - $10,000 to keep a tank large enough for something like that to thrive in. Then, if it dies... which most do in captivity, what do you do with 10k in filtration equip that nobody would have a use for? That's a lot of money to waste when you're pinching pennies.

Have you considered buying him a 75 gallon tank of his own and putting a red tail shark in it so he can have his "shark"?

Or.... a 150 gallon and get him a freshwater teacup ray. It would be a lot less expensive and would have a much higher success rate. There are a few species of freshwater rays that stay small enough to be suitable for a home aquarium, but caring for them is just as difficult.

Maybe suggest he win the lottery first as a condition??

Tell him he can come visit my cuttlefish this summer when I get it... also, check your local city ordinances... many of them now are banning things like rays and sharks. I found out after we bought our house last year that those are not allowed within the city limits... any species. I thumbed my nose at them over it when I moved my 6 inch red tail shark in and told everyone I had a "shark" at home, lol. I know it's not technically a shark, but the name implies enough to upset the uneducated people around here who are making these stupid laws. I made a point with it, and am planning to run for city council next year to fix some of the stupid laws.
no doubt.. i have a 120 gallon here and waiting on 2 pet shops to get their rder of shark eggs in. the 120 will be plenty of room to nurse a lil cat shark. we like going for the juviniles an watching them grow. with that we can enjoy them more.
and yea.. go fix those laws! good for you and good luck!
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:27 AM   #13
 
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FW sting rays are outlawed in florida
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:19 PM   #14
 
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Thanks bf2king... that is important information to know!

You might want to check about the sharks then, too.... it is very possible they are banned as well. Also, just because a lfs sells it doesn't mean it's legal to keep it, so please double check. Around here alligators are banned in most cities, but there is one city who hasn't banned them yet. LFS's in that one city sell them, and then they end up in the homes in cities where they are banned. The fine for having one is over $500 and then the animal is confiscated, and most typically the authorities will euthenize it because they aren't prepared to handle it or keep it, and don't have anywhere to go with them. There are some places where any shark is banned... like around here! Our local ordinance says that if you get caught with a shark or ray, the fine is $500 for each day you have it in your possession, and beyond a certain length of time, or beyond a first offense, there is also jail time. The animals are then confiscated and destroyed. The disturbing part of this is that they are legal in our state... just not in our city!

120 will work for a shark egg, but after a few months the shark will need 125. 120 isn't long enough, doesn't have enough area for a shark to swim around in long term. Most of the shark eggs sold are banded cat sharks, and these guys can get about 41 inches in length full grown. They are nocturnal feeders and I have noticed a lot of people get bored with them early on because they're not very active. Main diet is shell fish... which can get quite expensive.
The banded catshark is actually a bamboo shark, Chiloscyllium punctatum. Something else to know about them is that while they hatch with the stripes which help to give them their common name, as they mature they lose the stripes and change color. Their adult color form is a bland gray.

It would be a good idea to do a lot of research about them before buying one. They have very specific needs and while they are one of the easier sharks to work with, any shark can be quite difficult to keep. The hardest part is in gettin them to eat once they've hatched. A newly hatched banded catshark will starve within a couple of wks if it doesn't eat, and they stress very easily. The hardest part about buying one already hatched is that the lfs's don't usually let you know if it is eating or not. A shark that is not eating within a week of having it is usually doomed. They also stress severely when moved/shipped... so even a shark that is eating at the lfs may not eat once you get it home.

Raising a healthy catshark will require a significant budget to keep it well fed. Shrimp, clams, squid... none of these things are cheap when you're feeding a 40+ inch shark! And watch the teeth when feeding. Feeding an adult shark can get dangerous if you're not careful. I have seen the damage done by small catsharks, under 12 inches... and it can be devastating.

Tell the boyfriend that I am also a fan of sharks and rays, but that doesn't always make them suitable pets.

This is a good book to get, written by Scott W. Michael. http://www.amazon.com/Aquarium-Shark...7588694&sr=1-2

I've read it cover to cover a few times, and its a good reference book to have on hand if you decide to try keeping a shark.
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:45 PM   #15
 
well thats good news on the sting ray cus i am happy swimming with them in the ocean out here rather than having one in our tank! more fun i think. as per the shark.. ive researched all this jazz so far and i do have a 125 tank and honestly.. im thinkin about building something massive here in our lobby of our house. i thnk im becoming quite the fish whisperer lol my foxface and bird wrasse are pretty playfull with me lately like kittens. and the foxface hasent put up his stingers at me yet. i dont play with my hand of course but they like playing with the rubber tip of the feeding stick. he doesnt attack it just follows it around and the wrass is pretty acrobatic. hes almost getting trained like a dolphin lol
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:29 PM   #16
 
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Catsharks are allowed in florida... now it used to be to where u could own sharks like hammerheads and nurse as well but i know the nurse has been banned not sure about blacktip's and hammerheads. Honestly i think they will soon outlaw lionfish as we are having an outbreak of them in our reefs on the eastern coast of florida. im no saltwater expert but i know this through reaserching them for a 1000 gallon tank my dad has planned.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:33 PM   #17
 
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actually my lfs keeps sharks, grouper, and sting rays (salt water) they have probably a 300-400 custom made saltwater tank for this... its shallow and wide. i have even seen large batfish there wich is something id like to attempt to get. only prob is when ur house is full of small animlas (rabbits, guinea pigs, gerbil's, degu) and u have both version's of MTS (mass tank syndrome, massive tank syndrom) u dont have room.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:53 PM   #18
 
cool deal id love to see a pic of your fathers tank when its done. after this experience with the smaller tanks i plan on building a huge gig when i build my dream home in the future. my bf just found a site reefscavengers.com sells the rays also a lfs around the block has some also in a 180 g tank.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:53 PM   #19
 
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I don't beleive they will outlaw lionfish, though there is no doubt that some irresponsible aquarium owners have probably released overgrown specimens into the ocean, most of the lions showing up off the american coast are released into our waters when larger ships from australia dump water stored in the bottom of their boats and therefore release lions that traveled here in the ships.............
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:32 AM   #20
 
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the tank is a dream as he has to get his buisness off of the ground first. though i think he will be going with FW for cost reasons.

Yea but there are fish that are here through other ways then aquariums that they have banned (or atleast i think they have).
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