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post #31 of 41 Old 10-20-2012, 11:28 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks guys Im happy you all like it sorry about the lighting im getting my real light in the 2nd of November....... 120 watts of led 25:30 ratio of blue to white respectively. I cant wait A question... will this light be OK for corals? the tank is not deep just about 18 inches and the LED fixture has a bout 5500 lumen so can i keep corals? thanks again. And im glad you like the pics.


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post #32 of 41 Old 10-22-2012, 09:07 AM
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Thanks again reefing Another question. Probably frequently asked but i cant find the answer anywhere... Can i dry seawater to make my own salt? Is sea salt ok to use in the aquarium? Its not the normal table salt im talking about .
short answer----no.

Yes you can make sodium chloride by dehydrating seawater. But that is not the only thing in our salt mixes.

Various things like calcium carbonate will precipitate out when the concentration reaches a certain point. As many have found out overdosing this things. The problem is calcium carbonate precipitates out because it is not dissolvable in water. So when mixing up the resulting salt those things to no redissolve.

Which is why we have to use kalk (calcium hydorxide), calcium chloride, baking soda (sodium carbonate), epson saltes (magnesium sulfate). In that way we can add the calcium and magnesium from sime chemicals and the carbonate for the baking soda.

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post #33 of 41 Old 10-22-2012, 09:29 AM
When shopping for LED's you want to get at least a unit that says the LED's are 3w each. The 1w and .5w LED's are worth a darn to us.
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post #34 of 41 Old 10-24-2012, 03:25 AM Thread Starter
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Yes i payed attention to that reefing and i got a fixture with 55 3 watt LED is this OK? an thanks for the info about drying seawater to make my own salt mix beaslbob also do any of you guys have an ATS running? an advice on this topic would be great


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post #36 of 41 Old 10-27-2012, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
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WOW i read every word of that thread and saw every picture .....AMAZINGG! that an awesome thread thanks so much for that reefing. After i had read the first page i got to work on my DIY scrubber and now all that is left is plumbing it to the tank i highly recommend everyone to read that thread and then i more highly reccomend to make a DIY scrubber for your tank.... Youll thank yourself for it and so will your corals and fish!!


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post #37 of 41 Old 10-27-2012, 11:06 PM
You can preach it Tim, but every system is different. You should run some kind of sump in order to have a ATS. And then the size of the system and water parameters is going to dictate just how big that ATS is going to be. Don't get me wrong here, those things are great, but, its just like have a sump, its gotta be the right sized one versus your DT water volume, or it will only help, not completely scrub the water.
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post #38 of 41 Old 10-28-2012, 12:22 AM Thread Starter
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Yes i completely agree with you except for the point about the sump... you don't need one ...here have a look at this diagram and according to me its a lot easier than a sump too.....
some examples of DIY scrubbers ....











Please do have a look at that thread if you haven't already... im not trying to prove you wrong or anything, after all you've been in the SW hobby far longer than me
You can even build a scrubber in your tank underwater!! Or just in a bucket...the material used for the screen can be virtually anything and there are many benefits of having a scrubber.... I myself feel this is a perfect solution to many of the problems reefers are facing and the working of these has been proved 1000s of times. again i am not speaking against you or anyone else. All im saying is that these are what i think is the perfect solution to many problems facing reefers today.... benefits of an ATS include

o Allows you to feed very high amounts without causing nuisance algae growth in the tank.

o Can replace waterchanges, IF THE PURPOSE of the waterchange is to reduce nitrate or
phosphate or algae growth. Otherwise, it does not replace the water change.

o Grows swarms of copepods.

o Increases pH.

o Increases oxygen.

o Will NOT spread algae into the tank. It removes algae FROM the tank.

o There is no odor from the algae (only a slight ocean smell when cleaning it).

o Is very quiet when flowing, similar to a tabletop decorative waterfall.

o Introduces no microbubbles when adjusted.

o Removes ammonia too.

o You can even make a portable bucket! Just unplug the lights, lift up the pump
out of the tank water, and go put it in your next tank (or your friend's tank).
Don't let the screen dry out though.

o Works in saltwater or freshwater.
* this is all from santa monicas thread


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post #39 of 41 Old 10-28-2012, 09:05 AM
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Yes i completely agree with you except for the point about the sump... you don't need one
Just to get really really nerdy and technical a sump by definition is the lowest container in the system. With a refugium, or in this case, an ATS ( and every other container) above the display the display itself by definition becomes the sump.

And just like any other system one adjustment is to insure that should the drain becomes blocked, that container does not flood. So some use an additional emergency overflow/drain to prevent that from happening.


That said the ats/refugium still has many many benifits to the system.

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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #40 of 41 Old 10-28-2012, 10:10 AM
Tim, without a sump you can't make your ATS big enough to be completely useful. It would look totally gaudy hanging from the top of the tank like your thinking about. The ATS would sit in its own sump, thats how big i am talking about.
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