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Old 12-23-2011, 05:22 PM   #11
 
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Never use the 1 inch of fish per gallon of water rule. Here's an example to keep in your head:

If you have a 10 gallon tank, you can't have a fish that gets to a size of 10"!
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Old 12-23-2011, 06:44 PM   #12
 
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I did look over the fish again and i cant go with the clown trigger, but can i put in 4 fish about 10inches each in this 120g tank???

V-Tail Grouper 11inches Max Size
DogFace Puffer 13inches Max Size
Tennenti Tang 9 inches max size
and one of these triggers, HumuPicasso, Undulate, or Bursa Trigger
between 10 -12 inch Max size

So 45 Inches of fish for a 120g tank, I will get the right filtration that i need, 150lbs of live rock, and throw in a small cleaning crew which might be eaten by my fish, or should i bag the grouper and just go with the other 3??

Ive read about a AQUA IONIZERthat is suppose to replace a protien skimmer, every read about it??? Sound like a good thing with alot of good feedback for most users,, still researching...

Thanks for your help
If your going this route. Only put in about 75-100lbs of Live Rock, this will give your crew more room to swim around. Your clean up crew will get eatin by your fish, Trigger or Puffer. Nice choice on the Tang, I might add. I have read about the Ionizer, but have not spoken to anyone who has one. If you get one, please post on how it really does do in your tank, would love to know. If it doesn't work you will need to get a Skimmer rated at twice your tank volume to help remove the huge amount of waste those big boys are gonna deposit. Man, your gonna freak when they start to grow. 12" in the mind seems ok, but wait til you see them in person.
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Old 12-23-2011, 11:48 PM   #13
 
Well live rock they say 1.2 to 1.7 per gallon ratio,,, so thats why i was at 150,,, I have a small sump that i have to unpack and see what is the flowrate, and what filters my brother had, he had a fresh water so might not be the right ones for me,,, Your also saying get a 200-250gal rated protein skimmer? This tank in being recested into the wall, but not completly covered so i can get in the top no problem, plus i have a nice stand that the sump and skimmer will be in. along with a seperate 10g tank for feeders or bigger if i can fit it in there,, huge stand with doors 6 foot so i will have to mesure and see what i can fit. Still reading up on filters and about to make lists.. I will post pics of before and after, and detailed info on the setup to help anyone in the future. I think i am going to try that AQUA IONIZER and a Oxydator ive been reading up on,, both sound like great products. I dont buy anything or start anything till i have researched the crap out of it first that will cost as much as this will. Ill keep ya updated
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Old 12-24-2011, 11:58 AM   #14
 
The only reason I suggested the light Live Rock load is to give your fish more room, thats all. I usually advise at least 1lb per gallon, but in you rcase, your going to need room for those fish. Your call. Your system set-up sounds fantastic though. Gotta shoot some pics when yoe get this off the ground.
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:42 PM   #15
 
Well i did more research and i like your suggestion of less LR in the tank,, but now i want to build a 40g sump that will fit in my cabinet, ? on that is the filter arangement? Sock first, Skimmer, Then what?? I want to fill the main chamber with sand and LR to make up for what i dont have in the main tank. Do i need a carbon filter, and or anything else?

Thanks for all your help I will get some pics of the area its going in and the tank before i clean it up.. before and after. My Wife Loves taking pics of everything so i will have plenty.
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Old 12-29-2011, 06:16 PM   #16
 
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Well i did more research and i like your suggestion of less LR in the tank,, but now i want to build a 40g sump that will fit in my cabinet, ? on that is the filter arangement? Sock first, Skimmer, Then what?? I want to fill the main chamber with sand and LR to make up for what i dont have in the main tank. Do i need a carbon filter, and or anything else?

Thanks for all your help I will get some pics of the area its going in and the tank before i clean it up.. before and after. My Wife Loves taking pics of everything so i will have plenty.
The filter sock comes first, to grab large debre you don't want going into the return pump. Next section would be your fuge, Chaeto, or other algae, and skimmer, and heaters, sand, live rock, all that stuff. Carbon filter is not needed. Only if you medicate, or have Soft Corals, this will take out the toxins from the water. Or you can run it once every once in awhile just to clear the water column.
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Old 01-08-2012, 09:57 AM   #17
 
Thanks for all your help again, been doing alot more research and came up with this, i got approval that in a few years if i want i can upgrade to a bigger tank, 270gallon will fit the area i have for the tank but only 6foot still,, just higher and deeper, so with that said..

Clown Trigger
Dogfaced Puffer
Purple tang or the Tennenti Tang

40 gallon sump- that i will make with chambers for sand and LR, alge growing chamber, and future skimmer if needed (LR rubble with take its place for now in that chamber)
3 power heads for the main tank and 1 for the sump to give more flow to the alge chamber
RO/DI filter for making new water
oxydator- for making oxygen and no power needed
AQUA Ionizer- will try, cheap enough, if levels arnt stable will get a protein skimmer in sump

100lbs of live rock in main tank, (40lbs or more in sump plus rubble where skimmer might go)
?? on sand 1 inch or more??? heard 3-4 inches might be better for filtration?

will put in a cleaning crew after cycle, not sure how long they will last after i put in my fish thou?

Will have the old sump for a Q tank, after that a breeding tank for krill or feeders??

Thanks again,
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:38 AM   #18
 
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i personally wouldnt put live rock in the sump and just add it all to the display. the sump is a slow flowing area and rock will collect debris and detritus just like bio balls would. if you do, only 1 or 2 pieces of rock as to not jam pack it. i strongly suggest a skimmer. what exactly is an oxydator?

no sand, 1 inch of sand or 4-6 inches of sand. keep the sand level too. as long as the old sump isnt hooked into this system, it will be fine for a Q tank. i also suggest looking into glass-holes overflow kits for your sump.
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Old 01-08-2012, 11:56 AM   #19
 
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Thanks for all your help again, been doing alot more research and came up with this, i got approval that in a few years if i want i can upgrade to a bigger tank, 270gallon will fit the area i have for the tank but only 6foot still,, just higher and deeper, so with that said..

Clown Trigger
Dogfaced Puffer
Purple tang or the Tennenti Tang

40 gallon sump- that i will make with chambers for sand and LR, alge growing chamber, and future skimmer if needed (LR rubble with take its place for now in that chamber)
3 power heads for the main tank and 1 for the sump to give more flow to the alge chamber
RO/DI filter for making new water
oxydator- for making oxygen and no power needed
AQUA Ionizer- will try, cheap enough, if levels arnt stable will get a protein skimmer in sump
Cool, keep an eye on that Ionizer, watch your water parameters. Bubbler for O2 probably a good idea, maybe in the sump out of eye shot.

100lbs of live rock in main tank, (40lbs or more in sump plus rubble where skimmer might go)
?? on sand 1 inch or more??? heard 3-4 inches might be better for filtration?
Make it a couple of big pieces for the sump, or none at all. Rubble can be a pain. Chaeto in there wll be great.

will put in a cleaning crew after cycle, not sure how long they will last after i put in my fish thou?
Should take from 4-6 weeks without using Fully Cured Live Rock

Will have the old sump for a Q tank, after that a breeding tank for krill or feeders??

Thanks again,
270g short tank is not a very good one, since you have time, look for the 240g or 300g 8' long tank, this will allow you to keep pretty much anything you want.
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:15 PM   #20
 
Thanks, ive seen people put the LR and sand in a chamber in the sump, with a powerjet, and another chamber with the alge and another powerjet, not real powerfull ones just enought to get a good flow.
I cant get a 8foot tank, the place i am putting it in is only 84inches wide, so the 72 inch tank fits nicely. These are the only fish i want,, nothing more so it might be fine?

An oxygenator is a chemical pod that releases oxygen into the water without bubbles, its used in ponds and fish tanks, uses 35% hydrogen peroxide and distilled water to make a chemical reaction that creates oxygen, have a friend that uses it in his ponds and knows someone that uses it in his tanks, swears by it,, only $90 and you make your own mix for it. GOOGLE it your see it... doesnt use power just refill when it starts to float.

So use the sump to grow my alge and thats all??? no live rock?? would i use sand?? Was thinking on making a chamber with the live rock and sand,, and keep some snails in it since i cant leave them in the tank,, or not worth it?? Just trying to put together some things i have read about, coming up the the best solution.

I am plumbing the sump into my utility room, because my stand wont house a protein skimmer, too tall wont fit,, so thats why i was going with a 40gallong and making it multipurpose, plenty of room.

Thanks again
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