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Old 09-23-2011, 04:21 PM   #1
 
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Just Curious......

In my 10 gallon, after it's current use is done, I was considering turning it into a Nano-Reef tank. Maybe FOWLR, i don't know. It already has a 50w heater and a 90 GPH internal filter, a tetrawhisper 10i. I know it needs a Protein Skimmer and maybe a 100GPH powerhead. It's using freshwater right Now, I was going to recycle it with saltwater. My question, what fish could go in here? This isn't necisary, but I'd prefer fish that live 2-3+ years. Thanks for reading!
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Old 09-23-2011, 04:39 PM   #2
 
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a pair of clowns or a goby and a pistol shrimp are the more common 10 gallon choices. not many fish to choose from with a small tank, after putting in live rock your going to end up with less then 10 gallons with displacement too.

i suggest if your going to use that filter to run it empty ( for flow ) or with carbon only. if proper feeding is done with water changes when needed you shouldnt need a skimmer on this tank.

i have known a few clowns to be 10+ years ( and im sure some people have had some longer ) remember this is a long term hobby
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Old 09-23-2011, 04:49 PM   #3
 
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I know saltwater is much longer term than freshwater, unless you get like Oscars or Something. I like Neon Gobies, but the short lifespan sorta turns me off for them. I like Clownfish, but don't they need bigger tanks? Like 20-29 gallons? For this I was going to do like weekly or biweekly waterchanges, right now I vacum it until waste is gone, so like 30-50%. Tetrawhisper uses Bio-Bags, with activated carbon. I assume this is OK? And the powerhead, is that recomended for such a small tank? Sorry for the question spam :P
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:20 PM   #4
 
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percs or occys would be fine by themselves in a 10 gallon. i would put maroons in a 20-30 gallon.

30-50% is too large, i would change out a gallon a week if possible, which would be 10%. depending your nitrates this may need to be increased but small changes are best. smaller tanks are harder to maintain due to keeping them stable. speaking of, fresh RO/DI water is needed to top off daily water evaportion. ( salt doesnt evaporate )

i think i would use a filter media bag filled with carbon and placed into the filter if using a hang on filter. filter cartridges collect debris and detritus and over time allow them to break down into excess nutrients.. you do not want this on a saltwater tank, as to why i suggested running the filter empty.. just for its water flow. you can get away with filter cartridges ( even using them short term for water polishing ) but they need FREQUENT cleaning, as in every few days.

10x turn over for water flow for a FOWLR is a good start, you may even want more. the hydor k nano i believe is 425 gph and may make a better choice if your only using 1 powerhead. the idea is to have little ( or even better, no) dead spots or areas of no flow. you want the water constantly moving against your liverock.
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Old 09-23-2011, 05:29 PM   #5
 
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What exactly is RO/DI water? I've heard it before, but I'm not sure what it is. So, for water flow, I'll do empty filter and a 100GPH+ powerhead on the other side. So, either 1 Perc/ Occy or a Goby and Pistol Shrimp. What's a good species of Goby? Would the filter and Powerhead work well if they're both on they back? Or does one need to be on the front so both sides get current? If I go with the Goby and Shrimp I'll probably do just FOWLR, but if I do a Clown how much lightning do I need for Anenomes/Corals? And would Soft or Hard corals be better? Really sorry for Question Spam :S
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:59 PM   #6
 
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RO/DI water is purified tap water by using a RO/DI filter ( reverse osmosis de-ionized )
for a tank this size you can usually purchase this water at fish stores for about 50 cents per gallon. if you do the math, this will add up quickly and it may be wise to just shell out $200 or so for the unit from the start so you can make this water right from home. that choice is up to you. everyday water will evaporate from your tank and NEED to be replaced with plain old RO/DI water as salt wont evaporate. it may be a very slight ammount of water evaporating and may go un-noticed but this still needs to be done. the more water evaporating, the higher your salinity will rise. ( speaking of salinity, test this with a refractometer instead of less accurate hydrometers )

there are alot of gobies that would be a good choice. if you wish to pair one with a pistol shrimp, look at the watchman types. avoid catalina gobies as these are cooler water species. just to clarrify, do not mix 2 species of clowns.

the usual placement of powerheads is either side of the tank. in your case having the filter on one of the back corners and the powerhead on the opposite sides wall facing the filter would prob. be a good start. this may need to be adjusted as spots of little to no flow are found. the goal is to get good flow around your liverock without causing a huge sand storm. ( dont worry, 100 gph may seem like alot, but its actually not )

clowns do not need an anemone for their happiness. infact, they will "host" whatever it is they feel safe and comfort in, which can end up being anything in the tank. i dont think i would keep a nem in a 10 gallon as they will eventually get so large it will be just about all there is in the 10. nems need a reef enviroment, but again having a large nem in a 10 gallon will end up stinging all corals it touches due to size constraints. it is possible, but perhaps further down the road should be considered.
i suggest t5s, metal halides ( which in your case would overheat your tank ) LEDs or a combo of the 3. all types of lighting have their drawbacks. research is key.
soft corals over hard to start. mushrooms, zoanthids... are good first additions, AFTER researching their care.
seems like your off to a good start but i suggest much more reading prior to any purchasing.
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Old 09-23-2011, 06:59 PM   #7
 
Saltwater Aquarium Fish for Marine Aquariums: Ocellaris Clownfish
Minimum suggested tank size for a OC Clownfish is 20g.
Reverse Osmosis with a Deionize Canister
Purified water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anemones need strong lighting. But on a 10g tank it won't take but a couple 24" T-5 HO lights for that.
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Old 09-23-2011, 07:14 PM   #8
 
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Ok, so 50 cents per gallon doesn't seem too bad. So that's 5$ to start, with 1-2 to top off, and 1 per week after that. What type of Watchman Goby? I wikipedia'd them and like 10 different kinds came up. So LED, hard corals....all sounds OK. Is the usual 5w per gallon OK?
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Old 09-24-2011, 07:29 AM   #9
 
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If any of you guys are still there, is there anything else I could have in a 10 gallon? I'm deciding between Brackish Bumblebee Gobies( well, they might be freshwater. I need to ask the employees). I'm liking Goby and Shrimp, but what if I go on vacation and people don't top it off every night? I could get someone to top it off, but No-One around here is really a fish fanatic. And would it survive if the power went of for a storm or something?
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Old 09-24-2011, 11:03 AM   #10
 
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If any of you guys are still there, is there anything else I could have in a 10 gallon? I'm deciding between Brackish Bumblebee Gobies( well, they might be freshwater. I need to ask the employees). I'm liking Goby and Shrimp, but what if I go on vacation and people don't top it off every night? I could get someone to top it off, but No-One around here is really a fish fanatic. And would it survive if the power went of for a storm or something?
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WOW. Its just like a fresh water tank. If the power went out, they would survive for a period of time. And the pick of which Goby is really a matter of choice for you. And as for the top off, how long are you going to be gone? I have always lowered my equipment into the water alittle more. Like the heaters and the powerheads, so as to not get stuck in the open.
And sorry I know nothing about Brackish Fish, but the Green Spoted Puffer, which can be turned to full marine.
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