02-24-2007, 10:30 PM
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why dont you forget the hard species and start a 55 gallon FOWLR tank. That way you can get a lot of experiance with saltwater. Then maybe one day upgrade it to a reef tank. A 55 gallon tank is the perfect tank for all begginers and im sure it would work great for you.
Originally Posted by Matt
Please whatever you do dont just go Buy a couple Hundred bags of Playsand From HomeDepot, Lowes, or any Hardware Store.
Save your Self some Money and Buy it from a Place thats sells it buy the
Scoop.(Big Tractor Scoop)(Each scoop is a couple hundred lbs.) Unless it looks really Nasty.
Its a LOT Cheaper. But you Might Have to Clean it Very well.
(the reason that I suggest this is that the ones by my home are very Cheap and Clean.)
That sand is not live sand and doesnt have anything in it to benefiet the saltwater tank at all. It needs to be live for sharks, the play sand also doesnt have any buffers in it to help maintain a high ph.
As for the breeding to make money, you cant really make good money from the saltwater hobby, even fragging corals makes you lose money from the lighting system. You could get tons more money by working at mcdonalds or something. Since you seem so educated from all the books, why dont you apply for a job at your lfs?
02-25-2007, 12:17 PM
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with that information you could try getting a part time job at your local aquaria or zoo, even your lfs, you can still take care of there sharks but you wont need to pay for anything, actually, you will get paid for doing that, maybe when your older and technology evolves, you can keep your own shark in your own home. My lfs has a 2000 gallon shark pond (i think there are baby nurse sharks in there, they probably get sent to the chicago shedd aquarium when there older) and if i work there, i might be able to feed them or something. This day was not a waste on the internet, you now know even more about sharks and maybe if someone trys to get one in a 180 gallon with limited budget, you can try and tell them not to the same way i told you how much it really costs.
02-25-2007, 05:40 PM
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musho, i talked with others and they said that the 425 lbs of live rock would not be a nessesaty because it's not the only way to filter biologically and stuff.
due to this, and what i've talked to others about, i do believe, with thee 425lbs of live rock out, i can still do this.
i currently have 30lbs i will have in the refugium. and i'll get more as i can.
with the size, he will strat out life in a 277 gallon. depending on how fast he grows, i'll try to upgrade the size of his area.
and the 277 gallon pool will be outside. i'll have a heater, and i'll make sure it stays the perfect temperature for him. if it is suposed to storm or something, i can put the cover on just in case.
i'll check the temperature, hydrometer, and water quality twice daily (morning and evening). i'll also get in the pool to clean up after the shark so there is not as much waste and stuff for the filter and critters to go through.
will i need some special suit to get in the pool or will he just swim up to me but not to anything? if he swims up to me that is. hopefully after being raised from birth with me he won't be afraid.
i'll try to get a large refugium, and it will have a large filter, smaller heater (just to keep the refugium warm for the shrimp/tubeworms/etc.
it will have atleast 30 lbs of live rock (at the beginning), and i want to get tubeworms and mussels as the filtration. the mussels will also be his food.
the shrimp will help clean up too, and i'll have alot of chaeto in there to help also.
i will probably, when i can, add scallops to the refugium and add themto his diet as well.
quick question, what type of fish meat should i buy that he will like the most, and that will be the best for him?
and i will still breed seahorses. but that will be after the shark probably.
if you guys really don't think i will be able to keep up with the expenses, give me a price range of how much it would take to start out.
before i do anything else, i need to find out for sure what i'm doing.
i know it will be hard, but i'm willing to do everything i can to keep the pool clean, and keep the shark as happy as i can make him.
i've made a ROUGH list of items i have on the top of my head. it's not everything i'm getting i'm sure. but it's just a rough idea. so please feel free to add on to the list.
277 gallon pool
3+ tubewroms (most likely hawiian)
85-100+ white shrimp
mussels (unkown number, havent looked at prices)
pool filter (for big debris, etc)
protien skimmer (will i need a skimmer for up to 280-300 gallons at first with all the tubeworms, shrimp, mussels, chaeto, live rock, live sand, and me helping out the filtration?)
aquarium filter (will i need a big one, or even one at all with the other filtration helpers?) (will a pond filter work?)
thermoteter (in 4 places)
saltwater master water quality test
black banded cat shark, brown banded cat shark, bamboo shark (depends where i get the egg from)
feel free to add on.
this does not inlclude upgrades, and addons. this is just the starter equipment. :D
02-25-2007, 06:30 PM
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have you realized how much all this is going to cost?
02-25-2007, 06:44 PM
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whoever gave you that information about the rock is wrong, even people with a wet dry trickle filter and a canister and a hang on back filter, they still get the needed amount of live rock, 30 pounds is close to nothing, as for the sand, you still need to get live sand, this is going into the mid thousands you know, if you cant afford $1500 of live sand, how are you going to afford anything else? Remember what i said, there will be no shortcut, you will need that much live rock and you will NEED a protien skimmer
277 pool - few thousand dollars to install
Tube worms - no idea
85-100 white shrimp - 25 dollars
Protien skimmer - two 300 gallon skimmers will do, maybe around 400 dollars
Live rock - 4 dollars a pound, around 2400 dollars
Live sand - 1500 dollars, make sure the sand is live, not aragonite sand that you get in a bag
Aquarium filter (wet/dry trickle, canister, pond filter, you need all of these) in the high hundreds or low thousands
Heater - 300 dollars
pool cover - 10 dollars or something
Thermometers (you should know this, dollar or something)
you can only get one shark in there who will still need a bigger tank after this, around 40-100 dollars
Medical expenses (no idea, probably have a lot of problems in the beggining as there is no mother to help it out)
Power heads (you will A LOT of powerheads, enough to power 300-400 gallons) 40 dollars for a 50 gallon powerhead
You will need a light in the refugium to keep all the live rock's beneficial algae growing, probably a few metal halide lights - 300-500 dollars per MH light, i think you will need about 3 250 watts in the refugium and 2 250 watts in the shark pond
Pumps to trade water in the refugium to the tank
02-25-2007, 07:35 PM
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I am absolutely against this idea. Period.
Leaving it outdoors is the worst idea I've read around here in a long time. First if it rains and ou are not home to cover it, say school, it can overflow, seriously ruin your salinity, or add pollutants to the pool. Second. How do you plan to keep it cool in the summer? It will die if the water stays above 80F even for a short period of time. I know people that have a hard time keeping the water below 80F in a home aquarium. Chillers will cost several thousand dollars to run out there.
Third what about racoons, cats, birds and dogs?
Fourth, what about neighbor kids messing with it?
fifth, what about pesticides and lawn waste collecting in the pool?
You think your the only person that ever had this thought? You realize why nobody is doing it?
You've been handed excellent reasons why this is foolish and arrogant. Like the other cat shark member you are becoming egotistical. The other member refused the advice and in turn only tried to justify it by saying they kept rare and venomous snakes that "everyone" said was foolish and not int he best interest of the snake. Justifying that you went against common advice only to do it is simply arrogance and an ego trip. The snakes and or sharks may not be in optimal health just because they are alive.
Next. It is extremely rude to come to one website and argue with advice from another website. If you prefer what the other site recommends then just do what they say and keep it to yourself. Many members have now wasted their time trying to help give sound advice and basically you've turned your back to them, pulled down your pants and waved your arrogant ass to them. If you don't want to be told not to do something foolish then do not announce it on an internet forum. So if you want a group of people that agree with you it's obvious it isn't this group.
Here, since I now refuse to offer any sort of advice to you, forever, i'll justify it all for you. "Bamboo you will never be satisfied in your life until someone agrees with you. Since I don not agree with you at all but you are goign to do it anyways, just do it and quit asking for advice since you already have it all made up in your mind how you will pull this off. Asking anymore questions, as you obviously have an answer for any suggestions made, then quit asking for help. Just buy the pool, the shark, your awesome sump and tell us how it goes."
This guy reminds me of ZebNZ. No matter what type of advice was given he always had a retort. Folks don't waste your time answering as he has all the answers, just read the last replies.
02-25-2007, 07:48 PM
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you also have to deal with evaporation outside which means you will have to add/take water out to keep it the right salinity level, which means you need to be on constant alert, spend a couple hundred dollar on a phone alert system, then spend a few thousands on chillers, then be able to run out of school the second something goes wrong with the shark and be there within 1 minute to fix it.
02-25-2007, 08:21 PM
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i didn't finish reading all of the last three posts. but thanks for making the answer prompt, lol.
and the person about the live rock wasn't that wrong, you wouldn't need that much, and all of it would not have to be live, with a bit of live sand and a bit of live rock, the bacteria and so on would also duplicate and grow, it's not like the only bacteria you buy is the only there will be.
but i will go with the tnak then. wish me luck everyone though, when i have my own place and build a pool, it will be saltwater. so wish me luck for the future, hehe.
and i forget who said something about it. but yes, i'm planning on being a marine biologist in the future. i'd like to go on a study in the ocean and swim with a whale shark, thats one of my goals, since i was like 7.
anyway, everyone feel free to move on over to the 55g tank thread of mine.
i hope this information i have learned will help me someday when i have a job at a zoo or aquarium. :)
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